In this episode of the Making Sense with Sam Harris podcast, Barton Gellman shares insights from tabletop exercises simulating an authoritarian presidency. The exercises explored alarming scenarios of abusing federal power, such as weaponizing government agencies against political opponents and suppressing protests with military force.
Gellman also delves into the legal ambiguities surrounding states' ability to challenge federal overreach. The conversation highlights how new laws in some states allow partisan officials to interfere with election certification, threatening chaos if candidates refuse to accept defeat. With the expected narrow margins in swing states, Gellman emphasizes the need to prepare for potential post-election turmoil.
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The Brennan Center's Democracy Futures Project conducted tabletop exercises simulating how an authoritarian president could abuse federal power, as detailed by Barton Gellman. The exercises involved former officials and leaders playing roles surrounding an authoritarian president's administration.
Gellman indicates the exercises showcased an authoritarian president's potential to wield power in alarming ways, such as prosecuting political enemies and repressive tactics against dissent and immigration. While opposition roles sought to mitigate these actions, the exercises revealed a concerning lack of clear legal mechanisms to outright halt them.
Conversations in the exercises highlighted the ambiguous boundaries around state and local officials' authority to challenge federal overreach from an authoritarian president.
Barton Gellman urges state officials like governors and attorneys general to thoroughly understand their legal powers beforehand to mount an effective defense against misuse of federal authority. Coordinated action across party lines could prove critical.
According to Gellman, Republican state legislators are enacting laws to gain more partisan control over certifying election results.
Gellman emphasizes this partisan control over certification threatens chaos and potential coup attempts if losing candidates refuse to accept defeat, departing from the historically non-partisan, ministerial role.
Though landslide wins could short-circuit integrity issues, Gellman agrees with Sam Harris the expected narrow margins in swing states raise risks of unrest, requiring pro-democracy advocates to prepare for potential post-election protests or violence.
Throughout, Gellman indicates efforts ostensibly aimed at "election integrity" may actually intend to suppress voting by racial minorities and low-income citizens who tend to support Democrats through measures like the SAVE Act, which addresses the implausible issue of non-citizen voting.
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Under the direction of the Brennan Center's Democracy Futures Project, experts including Barton Gellman have participated in tabletop exercises simulating the potential threats posed by an authoritarian presidency and the responses available to pro-democracy advocates.
Participants in the Brennan Center’s exercises included former officials and leaders from across the political spectrum. They undertook various roles such as cabinet members, supportive governors, judges, and executive agencies, all surrounding an authoritarian president.
Barton Gellman details that they tested scenarios involving the president using federal agencies and law enforcement to target political enemies, utilizing the Department of Justice, the power of antitrust against companies, and the IRS against nonprofits.
Additionally, they explored the potential use of military force against protesters and the mass expulsion of migrants by deploying federal law enforcement in cities for mass arrests.
Gellman indicates that an authoritarian president might use his power in alarming ways including the prosecution of political enemies and unfolding repressive tactics against dissent and immigration.
Participants playing supportive roles for the authoritarian figure showcased a keen ability to exercise power, while those in opposition sought ways to mitigate their actions.
The outcomes of these exercises ...
Scenario planning and war gaming for a potential authoritarian presidency
In the face of potential executive overreach from the presidency, the role of state and local authorities becomes increasingly vital. However, the exact bounds of their power in challenging federal overreach remain murky, requiring careful navigation and understanding.
Conversations in tabletop exercises have underscored the lack of clear precedent or understanding regarding the powers state authorities hold. One such conversation pointed to governors’ potential ability to challenge the president's federalization of the National Guard. However, uncertainties in legal principles stand in the way.
Barton Gellman speaks of an exercise involving former governor of New Jersey Christie Todd Whitman, who sought ways to prevent the president from federalizing the National Guard against her will. This scenario illustrates the ambiguity surrounding a governor's capacity to counteract presidential authority in such matters.
State officials, particularly governors and state attorneys general, must do their ...
Tensions between federal and state/local authority in resisting executive overreach
Barton Gellman and Sam Harris discuss disturbing trends that indicate the election process in the United States may be under threat due to partisan motivations.
Gellman underscores the movement by some Republican state legislators and election officials to gain more partisan control over the certification process of election results.
Gellman highlights moves in several states, particularly in Georgia, where political control over the certification of election results is intensifying through new legislation. For example, an Elections Board member in Georgia refused to certify the results of a primary election and instead demanded investigatory power—even though he supported the false claim that the 2020 election was stolen. The governor also appointed three Republicans to the state election board, which has adopted a rule allowing county election officials to decline certification in favor of their own investigations.
Gellman emphasizes that historically, the certification role was ministerial and non-partisan, with disputes traditionally resolved in the courts. New rules allowing partisan officials to potentially delay or even overturn election results pose a real threat to democracy, risking chaos and coup attempts if candidates refuse to accept defeat.
Gellman agrees with Sam Harris that a landslide victory could alleviate worries about election integrity and the possibility of protests or riots, as the clear result would overshadow small controversies.
Nevertheless, Gellman notes that the election is expected to be determined by a thin margin in a few key states, suggesting tight and hotly disputed outcomes. This potential for narrow results has pro-democracy advocates concerned and preparing for possible post-election unrest.
Throughout the conversation, Gellma ...
Threats to election integrity and the peaceful transfer of power
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