Episode 575: Ed and Lorraine Warren Part III - Dealing with Demons
In this episode of Last Podcast On The Left, Henry Zebrowski and Marcus Parks examine the paranormal investigation work of Ed and Lorraine Warren, who claimed expertise in demonology and exorcism. Despite cultivating a reputation as leading paranormal experts, the Warrens faced criticism for their lack of scientific rigor and reliance on anecdotal evidence over empirical data.
The hosts provide case studies like the Smurl and Snedeker hauntings to illustrate the inconsistencies and lack of credibility surrounding the Warrens' methods and evidence. Allegations of fraud, exploitation for profit, and even sexual misconduct involving Ed Warren further complicate the Warrens' controversial legacy in the paranormal investigation field.
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The paranormal investigation work of Ed and Lorraine Warren
Ed and Lorraine Warren claimed to be expert paranormal investigators focused on demonology and exorcism, though their methods and integrity were frequently criticized.
The Warrens cultivated a reputation as leading paranormal experts
The Warrens portrayed themselves as "demon conquerors" able to ensure safety through exorcism. As Zebrowski and Parks note, they relied heavily on collaboration with priests to lend credibility. For example, they conducted months-long investigations, like Bill Ramsey's "wolf demon" possession case, eventually urging exorcism.
The Warrens' methods lacked scientific rigor
Henry Zebrowski and Marcus Parks express skepticism about the Warrens' reliance on anecdotal evidence rather than empirical data. Father Owl later assessed one case the Warrens deemed demonic possession as likely mental illness. The Tony Spera series failed to provide concrete proof beyond photographs easily explained by camera effects.
Specific case studies
The Smurl haunting
Parks introduces skepticism around the Smurls' accounts differing from the Warrens', with no public evidence supporting Ed's dramatic claims of demons. Neighbors saw no activity. Critics speculated the Smurls sought media profits.
The Snedeker haunting
Parks shares how the Snedekers lacked credibility, with no external witnesses and evidence the Warrens allegedly refused to share. Neighbors and the archdiocese contradicted the claims. Garton was troubled by his fictionalized "non-fiction" book's inconsistencies.
Controversies surrounding the Warrens
Allegations of fraud and exploitation
Parks and Zebrowski discuss allegations the Warrens exaggerated claims for publicity and profit from books, tours, and movies, unlike the families involved. Ed Warren may have covered up the Snedeker haunting's reality to avoid impacting the rental value.
Allegations of sexual misconduct
Judith Penny alleges an ongoing sexual relationship with Ed Warren from age 15, with Lorraine's knowledge. Their contract for The Conjuring movies specifically denied criminal activity like sex with minors, suggesting management of these allegations.
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Counterarguments
- The Warrens' reliance on priests for credibility could be seen as a necessary step in a field where religious context is often integral to the understanding and resolution of paranormal claims.
- Anecdotal evidence is a common starting point in paranormal investigations, as these phenomena are inherently difficult to measure with traditional scientific methods.
- The lack of public evidence in cases like the Smurl haunting does not necessarily invalidate the experiences of those involved; paranormal phenomena, by nature, often lack tangible evidence and may not occur under easily observable conditions.
- The discrepancies in accounts between the Warrens and the families involved in hauntings could be attributed to different perspectives or the chaotic nature of experiencing paranormal phenomena, rather than outright fabrication.
- The Warrens' work has inspired a significant cultural interest in the paranormal, which some could argue has value in itself, regardless of the veracity of their claims.
- The allegations of fraud and exploitation must be balanced against the possibility that the Warrens genuinely believed in their work and the experiences of those they helped.
- The Warrens' refusal to share evidence in certain cases could be due to privacy concerns for the families involved or the sensitive nature of the alleged paranormal experiences.
- The allegations of sexual misconduct, while serious, are separate from the professional credibility of the Warrens' paranormal investigations and should be addressed independently of their work in demonology and exorcism.
Actionables
- Develop a critical eye when consuming media by researching the background of featured experts and checking for corroborating evidence from multiple sources. When you hear about experts in any field, take the time to look up their credentials and past work. If they claim to have solved cases or made discoveries, search for independent verification or peer-reviewed articles that discuss their findings.
- Foster healthy skepticism by setting up a "fact-check club" with friends where you discuss and investigate extraordinary claims from various sources. Once a month, choose a topic or a claim that seems outlandish or too good to be true. Each member can research and bring evidence to the next meeting, where you'll discuss the validity of the claim based on the evidence gathered.
- Protect your own credibility by documenting your experiences and sharing them responsibly, ensuring you don't embellish or misrepresent facts. If you have an unusual experience or story to share, write down the details as they happened, take photos or videos if possible, and share them with context. Avoid adding dramatic effects or unverified details that could call your honesty into question.
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The paranormal investigation work of Ed and Lorraine Warren
Ed and Lorraine Warren profiled themselves as expert paranormal investigators with a special focus on demonology and exorcism, but their methods and the authenticity of their investigations have been subjects of controversy and skepticism.
The Warrens cultivated a reputation as leading paranormal experts
The Warrens were a husband and wife team of traveling psychic investigators who saw themselves as demon conquerors. They aimed to return to medieval practices within the church, with a particular emphasis on performing exorcisms as a means of ensuring a safe life. The Warrens frequently collaborated with priests and leveraged their religious credentials to lend credibility to their claims, often presenting themselves as skilled investigators of supernatural occurrences.
They advised those encountering a ghost to make a large crucifix with the right hand and ask, "In the name of Jesus Christ, how can I help you?" For example, they spent months investigating the Smurl home, where Lorraine believed that a man named Bill was possessed by a wolf demon. They even convinced Bill to travel from England to Connecticut for an exorcism performed by their associate, Father McKinnon.
Their partner in exorcisms is mentioned as Father McKenna, a priest who rejected Vatican II and who was involved with figures in the fatal exorcism of Annalisa Mickle. This connection reflects how the Warrens integrated religious figures into their paranormal endeavor to bolster their credibility.
The Warrens' paranormal investigation methods were criticized as lacking scientific rigor
Henry Zebrowski and Marcus Parks express skepticism regarding the Warrens’ approach to paranormal investigations, implying that they were quick to package supposed hauntings for their own benefit rather than employing a rigorous, scientific methodology.
The Warrens relied heavily on anecdotal evidence and eyewitness testimony rather than empirical data, and Marcus Parks found a lack of substantial evidence in his research on the UK press coverage of Bill Ramsey's story.
In one case, the Warrens took on the matter of a daughter believed to be possessed and attempted an exorcism, which reportedly only exacerbated the situation. Father Owl, who had e ...
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- The Warrens' reliance on religious practices and exorcism may be seen as valid within the context of their belief system and the belief systems of those they helped, which often value experiential and anecdotal evidence over empirical data.
- The use of priests and religious figures in their investigations could be interpreted as an attempt to integrate traditional spiritual beliefs with paranormal investigation, which may resonate with individuals who hold those beliefs.
- The criticism of their methods lacking scientific rigor might not fully acknowledge the challenges of applying scientific methods to phenomena that are, by nature, beyond the current understanding of science.
- The Warrens' advice on using a crucifix and invoking Jesus Christ could be effective for those who believe in the power of religious symbols and rituals, providing psychological comfort if not actual paranormal intervention.
- The Warrens' investigations, while not scientifically validated, have contributed to a broader cultural and narrative understanding of paranormal phenomena, which can be valuable in its own right.
- The focus on appearances and use of props could be seen as a way to make the intangible nature of paranormal phenomena more tangible and understandable to the general public.
- The lack of concrete proof or documentation in the Warrens' cases might be due to the inherent difficulty in capturing paranormal phenomena, which often evade conventional means of do ...
Actionables
- You can enhance critical thinking by starting a journal where you document and analyze personal experiences that seem unexplainable, focusing on finding logical explanations before considering paranormal ones. This practice encourages a skeptical mindset and improves your ability to discern between anecdotal and empirical evidence. For example, if you hear strange noises at night, instead of immediately attributing them to supernatural causes, research and document potential sources like wildlife, plumbing, or house settling.
- Develop a habit of consulting with professionals from various fields when faced with situations you don't fully understand, to get a well-rounded perspective. If you encounter someone claiming to experience paranormal phenomena, suggest they see a mental health professional to rule out psychological explanations. This approach mirrors the collaboration with experts from different disciplines and ensures that all possible explanations are considered.
- Create a personal code of ethics for evaluating extraordin ...
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Specific case studies of paranormal activity investigated by the Warrens
The Smurf haunting: Skepticism around the Warrens' involvement and the family's motivations
Marcus Parks introduces a discussion on the lesser-known cases handled by the Warrens, including the story of the Smurl haunting. Skepticism emerges regarding the Warrens' involvement as the events described by Ed and Lorraine Warren allegedly contradicted the Smurls' own accounts. Ed reported confronting a demon in the Smurl home, leading to paranormal activities such as temperature drops, the appearance of a dark mass, and rattling sounds. However, no evidence of these events was made public.
Henry Zebrowski humorously refers to the reported dark mass as a "ghost globule," while other claimed events included moving items and a shaking mattress during an exorcism attempt by Ed Warren. The Smurl’s neighbor and new homeowner reported no supernatural incidents, casting doubt on the Smurls' claims. Critics speculated that the Smurls, potentially mirroring the fame of the Amityville case, wished to generate media interest for profit.
Karen Smurl defended her parents, stating they never profited from the tale, unlike the Warrens. The massive media attention the case drew only recorded observances of paranormal activity from the Smurls and the Warrens themselves. The Warrens' book "The Haunted" presented a narrative that differed significantly from earlier reports by the Smurls, raising more doubts regarding the veracity of their tale.
The Snedeker haunting: Questions about the family's credibility and the Warrens' role
The discussion then turns to the Snedeker haunting, another controversial case involving the Warrens. The Snedeker family's landlord and neighbors did not corroborate their haunting claims, and the family was suspected of fabricating the story due to financial motivations. Marcus Parks shares that the haunting was sensationalized following the Warrens' involvement, including claims of sexual assault by spectral entities.
The Snedekers' experience was scandalized in popular media, including a movie adaptation touted as highly fictionalized. No external witnesses confirmed the Snedekers' stories, while the Warrens all ...
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- The Warrens' involvement in the Smurl haunting could be seen as an attempt to provide support and validation to a family experiencing distressing events, regardless of the lack of public evidence.
- Discrepancies between the Warrens' book "The Haunted" and the Smurls' earlier reports could be attributed to different perspectives or misunderstandings rather than an intent to deceive.
- The lack of supernatural incidents reported by the Smurls' neighbor and new homeowner does not necessarily invalidate the Smurls' experiences, as paranormal activity could be sporadic or tied to specific individuals.
- The Snedeker haunting's lack of corroboration from neighbors and the landlord does not automatically mean the family's experiences were fabricated; personal experiences with the paranormal are often subjective and difficult to verify.
- Financial motivations are not inherently indicative of dishonesty; the Snedekers could have sought to monetize their experiences as a means of coping with or recovering from the trauma they believed they endured.
- Ray Garton's discovery of inconsistencies in the Snedeker family stories could be due to the complex nature of recalling traumatic events, which can lead to fragmented or inconsistent narratives.
- The Warrens' refusal to share evidence with Garton might have been due to concerns about privacy, the integrity of their methods, or the sensitivity of the material, rather than ...
Actionables
- You can develop critical thinking skills by practicing analyzing claims using the C.R.A.A.P. test (Currency, Relevance, Authority, Accuracy, Purpose). When you hear a sensational story, assess its timeliness, relevance to the subject at hand, the credibility of the source, the evidence supporting it, and the intention behind it. For example, if a friend shares a ghost story, consider the source's history, the evidence presented, and what they might gain from telling the story.
- Enhance your media literacy by creating a "fact-check diary" where you document and investigate extraordinary claims you come across in media. Each time you hear or read a remarkable claim, note it down, research its background, check for corroborating sources, and write down your findings. This habit will help you discern fact from fiction in daily life, much like scrutinizing the inconsistencies in the haunting stories.
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Controversies and allegations surrounding the Warrens' personal and professional conduct
Discussion about the Warrens encompasses not just their famous paranormal investigations but also personal controversies involving allegations of fraud and sexual misconduct.
Allegations of fraud and financial exploitation
Marcus Parks, with Zebrowski, discusses allegations long circulating about Ed and Lorraine Warren, suggesting that they exaggerated or fabricated paranormal claims to promote book sales and gain media attention.
The Warrens were accused of exaggerating or fabricating paranormal claims to generate publicity and book sales
The Warrens, particularly noted for their involvement in famous hauntings like that of the Smurl family, profited substantially from the numerous books, tours, and movie consultations throughout their career, while those who the stories revolved around, such as the Smurl family, did not profit similarly.
Judith Penny went on record to admit that what was thought to be a ghost in Ed Warren’s famed Union Cemetery video was actually her in a white sheet. Parks and Zebrowski also discuss that Ed Warren has been accused of orchestrating a cover-up of the Snedeker family's supposed haunting to keep the rental appeal of the property, hinting at financial motives overriding ethical considerations. Ed's behavior, when pushed for evidence of an exorcism, and the suggestion for Ray Garton to fabricate parts of the Snedeker story, add to the allegations of fraudulent practices for publicity.
Moreover, the podcast mentions that the Warrens are alleged to have promoted themselves as collaborators with Father Owl, even after being disapproved and asked to desist, further suggesting the possibility of exploitation for personal gain. Henry Zebrowski reveals that Ed Warren franchised their paranormal investigation operation and would often edit the stories brought back by teams, casting doubt on the authenticity of the accounts.
Allegations of sexual misconduct and abuse
Ed Warren was accused of engaging in an ongoing sexual relationship with a minor, Judith Penny, with Lorraine's alleged knowledge and consent
The nature of the Warrens' personal life has raised eyebrows, particularly with the relationship between Ed Warren and Judith Penny. Penny came from a challenging background and met Ed, more than twice her age, when she was 15. She moved into their home at 16 and re ...
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- The Warrens' work has been subject to scrutiny and skepticism, which is common in the field of paranormal investigation, where evidence is often anecdotal and not easily verified.
- The success of the Warrens could be attributed to their storytelling abilities and the public's interest in the paranormal, rather than deliberate fraud.
- The Warrens' involvement in cases could have brought attention and resources to phenomena that might otherwise have been ignored or dismissed.
- The Warrens may have believed in the authenticity of their work and the paranormal events they investigated, which could explain their promotion and defense of their findings.
- The franchising of their paranormal investigation operation could be seen as a way to expand their research and involve more people in the field of paranormal investigation.
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Actionables
- You can develop critical thinking by researching both sides of a controversial topic before forming an opinion. Start by choosing a subject that has divided public opinion, such as a high-profile court case or a debated scientific theory. Gather information from credible sources that support both sides, and analyze the evidence and arguments presented. This practice will help you avoid jumping to conclusions based on sensationalized information.
- Enhance your media literacy by creating a checklist to evaluate the credibility of news stories. When you come across a news article, especially those that make extraordinary claims, run it through your checklist. Questions to include might be: Who is the author? What is the source's reputation? Are there supporting documents or testimonies? Are other reputable sources reporting the same story? This habit will help you discern fact from fiction in a media landscape filled with misinformation.
- Practice eth ...
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