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Episode 574: Ed and Lorraine Warren Part II - Make It Scary

By Marcus Parks, Henry Zebrowski

In this episode of Last Podcast On The Left, the hosts examine the controversial practices and motivations of renowned paranormal investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren. The episode explores how the Warrens promoted themselves as demonologists and psychics with questionable methods, often sensationalizing cases like the Amityville haunting for self-promotion and profit.

The Warrens' involvement in cases like the Glatzel family and the "Devil Made Me Do It" defense raised ethical concerns over their willingness to exacerbate trauma for commercial gain. While the episode acknowledges the entertainment value of the Warrens' paranormal claims, it ultimately questions their credibility as serious investigators of supernatural phenomena.

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Episode 574: Ed and Lorraine Warren Part II - Make It Scary

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The Warrens' Paranormal Investigation Reputation

Ed and Lorraine Warren promoted themselves as experienced demonologists and psychics, though their methods were questionable. They used tactics like claiming psychic abilities and telling sensational stories about objects like the Annabelle doll to establish credibility.

The podcast hosts Marcus Parks and Henry Zebrowski argue the Warrens have been misrepresented in movies and were more focused on self-promotion than evidence-based paranormal investigation. Ed Warren used provocations like invoking religious figures to interact with supposed entities.

Ultimately, the Warrens were skilled at commercializing their experiences, profiting from book deals, a fan club, and portraying themselves as warriors against evil forces.

The Amityville Haunting Case

The case of the Lutz family's purported paranormal experiences in the Amityville house became a major public phenomenon, fueled by books, movies and the Warrens' involvement as investigators.

However, the Lutz family's account was likely fabricated or exaggerated for profit from media deals. The Warrens, looking to bolster their reputations, conducted dubious "investigations" and promoted an unproven supernatural narrative around the house.

The Glatzel Family and "Devil Made Me Do It"

David Glatzel experienced disturbing episodes that his family believed were demonic possession. The Warrens exacerbated the trauma through ominous warnings and suggestions that demons were at play.

When Arne Johnson allegedly became possessed after an exorcism and killed someone, Johnson's "devil made me do it" defense relying on the Warrens' claims was rejected in court. The Warrens capitalized on the Glatzel family's suffering through publicity while providing little real support.

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  • The Warrens' self-promotion could be seen as a way to educate the public on paranormal phenomena from their perspective.
  • Sensational stories like the Annabelle doll may be based on the Warrens' genuine experiences and beliefs.
  • The Warrens' use of religious figures in their investigations could be interpreted as a legitimate method within the context of their belief system.
  • Commercializing their experiences could be a means to fund their investigations and research into the paranormal.
  • The Amityville haunting case has multiple eyewitness accounts, which could suggest that not all aspects of the story were fabricated.
  • The Warrens' investigations into the Amityville house could be seen as an attempt to provide explanations for the unexplained phenomena reported by the Lutz family.
  • The Glatzel family's belief in demonic possession and the Warrens' involvement may reflect the family's and the Warrens' genuine religious and spiritual beliefs.
  • The court's rejection of Arne Johnson's "devil made me do it" defense does not necessarily invalidate the Warrens' beliefs or their involvement in the case.
  • The Warrens' publicity efforts could be viewed as a way to share their findings and experiences with a wider audience, which is a common practice in various fields.

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  • You can develop critical thinking skills by questioning the credibility of sources, especially when encountering sensational stories. Start by researching the background of any story that seems too dramatic or unrealistic. Look for multiple sources, check the credentials of the storytellers, and compare the narrative to known facts. For example, if you come across a tale similar to the Annabelle doll, investigate the history of the object, the people involved, and any available evidence before accepting it as truth.
  • Enhance your understanding of psychological effects by reading about how belief in the paranormal can impact individuals and families. Focus on the psychological aspects, such as how fear and belief can be manipulated or how trauma can be exacerbated by external influences. This knowledge can help you support friends or family who might be going through a difficult time, ensuring you provide comfort based on empathy and understanding rather than feeding into potentially harmful narratives.
  • Practice ethical storytelling by sharing personal experiences or local legends with an emphasis on factual integrity. When telling a story, make it clear which parts are verified and which are speculative. If you're recounting a local legend, for instance, you could say, "According to the town's history, this event happened here, but there's no concrete evidence to support the more sensational aspects of the story." This approach encourages a balanced perspective and promotes a culture of honesty and integrity in storytelling.

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The Warrens' paranormal investigation methods and reputation

Ed and Lorraine Warren introduced themselves as experienced demonologists and psychics, a claim bolstered by self-promotion and questioned methods. They engaged in various tactics to establish credibility and profit from the paranormal.

The Warrens portrayed themselves as experienced paranormal investigators and demonologists

The Warrens claimed to have investigated thousands of cases. Notably, Lorraine claimed to be a psychic and offered personal details such as someone's mother loving spaghetti to demonstrate her abilities. They took custody of the infamous Annabelle doll from a pair of girls, suggesting that the doll was a vessel for demonic energy. Later, they performed an exorcism on the doll and sprinkled holy water around, claiming that it could make an ethereal black cat appear and disappear, levitate, and terrorize their real cat.

They exaggerated their involvement in high-profile cases like Amityville, often becoming the voices that linked credibility to the stories. Moreover, it is mentioned that movies such as "The Conjuring 2" oversold the Warrens' involvement in the Enfield Poltergeist case, underscoring their penchant for exaggeration.

The Warrens leveraged their reputation and credentials to establish credibility, even when their methods were dubious

Marcus Parks and Henry Zebrowski discussed that the Warrens have been "grossly misrepresented by the movies of the Conjuring Universe," highlighting a disconnect between reality and their portrayed experiences. The Warrens were true believers in the paranormal, with Ed using methods such as religious provocation—invoking Jesus Christ and throwing holy water—to interact with entities.

Their methods often included assigning responsibility to people for the manifestations they experienced, as seen in their claim that recognizing entities could lead to possession, rather than focusing on the supernatural itself. Ed Warren, for instance, claimed to be immune to paranormal phenomena and had to perform "religious provocation" instead of direct engagement.

The Warrens were skilled at self-promotion and capitalizing on their notoriety

The Warrens adeptly commercialized their paranormal experiences. They arrived at the Glatzel household "riding high off Amityville" and identified a large dark mass next to a family member as a demon. Their skill in promoting themselves extended to founding the New England Society for Paranormal Research, disseminating materials to their fan club, and selling VHS tapes.

Their storytelling, woven into a consistent narrative across their ventures, exhibited a strategic approach to cultivating their public image. They even locked away Annabelle in the infamous "positively do not open" case after a year, adding to the mystique and narrative around the doll.

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  • The Warrens' investigations were often criticized for lacking scientific rigor and relying heavily on religious provocation and self-promotion. They faced accusations of exaggerating their involvement in high-profile cases like Amityville and the Enfield Poltergeist. Their methods, such as attributing paranormal experiences to individuals rather than focusing on the supernatural, raised ethical concerns. The Warrens' commercialization of their experiences, including selling merchandise and profiting from their notoriety, led to questions about their true motivations.
  • The New England Society for Paranormal Research was an organization founded by Ed and Lorraine Warren to investigate and research paranormal phenomena. They used this platform to further establish their credibility in the field of demonology and psychic investigations. The society served as a means for the Warrens to engage with their fan base, disseminate information, and promote their work through various channels. It was a key part of their strategy to commercialize their paranormal experiences and expand their influence in the paranormal community.
  • Tony Spera, the son-in-law of Ed and Lo ...

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  • The Warrens' claims of psychic abilities and demonology expertise could be seen as part of a larger tradition of spiritualism and paranormal investigation, which has a history of being subjective and not easily proven or disproven by scientific methods.
  • The involvement in high-profile cases could be interpreted as the Warrens offering their services in situations where people felt troubled by experiences they could not explain, providing comfort or resolutions in their own way.
  • Religious provocation and other methods used by the Warrens might be considered valid within the context of their belief system and the belief systems of those they helped, who may have shared similar religious views.
  • Self-promotion and commercialization of their experiences could be viewed as a means to fund their investigations and to spread their findings to a broader audience, which is a common practice in various fields. ...

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The Amityville haunting case and its disputed origins

The case of the Amityville haunting revolves around the experiences of the Lutz family in a house with a violent past and has spurred wide public fascination, encouraged by books, movies, and the involvement of paranormal investigators.

The Lutz family's experiences in the Amityville house were likely fabricated or exaggerated

George and Kathy Lutz, the new owners of the infamous Amityville house, claimed to be unfazed by the recent murders there, seeing an opportunity to buy the house cheaply. They reportedly used the DeFeo family's furniture when they moved in. Shortly after moving in, the Lutzes began to report strange occurrences and sought the media's attention. They claimed events began with a priest hearing a voice demand he "Get out," and continued with strange smells, flies in dead winter, and eerie substances coating the home.

Despite their initial denial, the Lutzes eventually admitted to striking a lucrative book and film deal. This, combined with their changing account, legal battles, and revelations from William Weber (Ronnie DeFeo's defense attorney) who claimed it was a hoax conceived over wine, casts serious doubt on their claims.

Although they profited from the Amityville franchise, it's suggested that any real experiences might have been grossly exaggerated. The Lutzes followed a narrative timeline that fell in line with known paranormal tropes, further fueling skepticism about their credibility.

The Warrens' involvement in the Amityville case was primarily for self-promotion

The Warrens, renowned paranormal investigators, became involved with the Amityville case for a brief period. Ed and Lorraine Warren presented themselves as experts, leveraging media attention and a supposed seance to bolster their reputation. Their claims to have found evidence of paranormal activity were later challenged and debunked, such as a ghost photograph that many believe was actually an assistant in the house.

The techniques used by the Warrens, such as high-level flash photography aimed at creating ambiguous effects, and Ed Warren's assertion of feeling stra ...

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  • The Lutzes may have genuinely believed in their experiences due to psychological or environmental factors that they did not understand.
  • Some strange occurrences reported by the Lutzes, like the infestation of flies, could have natural explanations that were misinterpreted as paranormal.
  • The Lutzes' admission to a book and film deal does not necessarily invalidate their experiences; many true stories are also adapted for profit.
  • William Weber's claim that the haunting was a hoax could be self-serving, as discrediting the Lutzes might benefit his own reputation or legal strategy.
  • The Lutzes' changing account could be the result of the retelling of traumatic experiences, which can change in detail over time.
  • Following a narrative timeline that aligns with known paranormal tropes does not automatically mean their story was fabricated; it could also indicate that such tropes are based on common experiences in purported hauntings.
  • The Warrens' involvement in the case and subsequent self-promotion does not necessarily mean they did not believe in their work or that they did not have genuine experiences.
  • The Warrens' techniques, such as high-level flash photography, could be standard practice in paranormal investigations and not intended to deceive.
  • Ed Warren's feelings of strange phenomena could be subjective experiences that are hard to quantify or prove, but not necessarily deceitful.
  • The Warrens' attempt to control the na ...

Actionables

  • Develop a critical eye for media by comparing popular paranormal stories with known hoaxes. Start by researching well-known paranormal cases and then look for signs of fabrication or exaggeration similar to those in the Amityville case. For example, if a story changes significantly over time or aligns too closely with common tropes, it might be worth a deeper look to assess its credibility.
  • Enhance your understanding of psychological influence by observing how expectations shape perception. Watch a horror movie or read a spooky story, then note any strange sensations or fears you experience in your own home. This self-observation can help you realize how narratives can prime us to feel or notice certain things that we might otherwise ignore.
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The "Devil Made Me Do It" case and the trauma experienced by the Glatzel family

In the "Devil Made Me Do It" case, the Glatzel family suffered significant trauma, with young David Glatzel at the center experiencing what appeared to be demonic possession. The family's ordeal was further exacerbated by the involvement of paranormal investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren.

The Glatzel family, particularly young David Glatzel, experienced apparent demonic possession

In 1980, 11-year-old David Glatzel began to have visions of an evil old man and described violent encounters with a devilish figure with black eyes. Following worsening behaviors, his mother called their local priest to bless the house. However, when the entity seemed to grow angrier, the Warrens stepped in, suggesting David was in the oppression stage of possession. The Warrens’ dire warnings seemed to prelude David's behavior spiraling into violent rages, growling, cursing, and self-harming until three minor exorcisms were performed.

During these rituals, David reportedly growled, jerked, and turned blue, experiences which were documented by the Warrens. David's family and the Warrens ultimately believed that Arnie Johnson, David’s sister’s boyfriend, became possessed after calling for the devil to take him instead during an exorcism.

The "Devil Made Me Do It" defense used in the murder trial of Arne Johnson was ultimately rejected by the court

Arnie Johnson, motivated by possessiveness and rumored jealousy over Debbie's possible relationship with Alan Bono, claimed he had blacked out during Bono's murder due to demonic possession—a defense supported by the Warrens. Despite attempted legal maneuvers that included trying to prove the existence of demons and the deployment of the possessed by demons angle, the judge dismissed the not guilty by virtue of possession plea.

Johnson's actions were likely driven by personal factors, not possession, as hinted by his seeking help for a drinking problem and his admission of violence to the police. He was eventually convicted of manslaughter after the self-defense claim was not fully accepted by the court.

The Warrens' involvement in the case caused further trauma and turmoil for the Glatzel family

Throughout the ordeal, the Warrens were intimately involved. Their daily visits to document David's possession, suggestions of possession to Arnie Johnson, and dire predictions contributed to an atmosphere of fear and trauma. Carl Glatzel, David's brother, openly criticized the Warrens, accusing them of exacerbating David's mental health issues and coaching him to act possessed. He further criticized the Warrens for creating a spectacle for t ...

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  • You can develop critical thinking by researching both sides of controversial cases to form a well-rounded opinion. Start by looking up historical cases similar to the Glatzel family's and read through the court documents, news articles, and academic papers. Compare the different perspectives to understand the complexities of such situations.
  • Enhance your media literacy by analyzing how true crime stories are presented in the media. Choose a few documentaries or books on cases like the Glatzel family's, and take notes on the narrative techniques used. Discuss with friends or in online forums how these techniques may influence public perception. ...

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