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Side Stories: The Gingerbread Man

By Marcus Parks, Henry Zebrowski

Dive into the dark and twisted with 'Last Podcast On The Left' as hosts Henry Zebrowski and Marcus Parks dissect the chilling characteristics and unexpected motivations behind serial killers. In their recent discussion, they shine a light on the case of Richard Bradley Jr., challenging the traditional perceptions of serial killers, not solely driven by psychopathy but by other motives such as financial gain. Meanwhile, they tackle the tragic tale of the Pancake Murder, where breakfast turned deadly—a stark reminder of the intersections between mental health and criminal actions.

Elsewhere in the episode, the duo traverses the peculiar avenues of weird news, from a man's bizarre gingerbread man getup to the cosmic humor of a solar fart. Zebrowski and Parks don't shy away from the gruesome details, breaking down the harrowing story of Jeffrey Sargent, where mental illness leads to matricide, and discussing the possibilities and precautions of psilocybin in treating psychological trauma. With a mix of horror and hilarity, the team at 'Last Podcast On The Left' invites listeners to explore the abnormal sides of crime, the supernatural, and the simply strange as evidenced by tales from their own fan's emails, including accounts of bloodied raccoon hat enthusiasts and creepy ice cream truck drivers.

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Serial killers

Zebrowski and Parks tackle the complex topic of serial killers, specifically focusing on the formal definitions which include the number of victims—typically three or more—and the presence of a cooling-off period between murders. They delve into different motives and modalities and emphasize the blurred lines in defining a serial killer, using the case of Richard Bradley Jr., accused of four murders, as an example. Bradley Jr.'s crimes, seeming to be driven by financial motives as he targeted individuals carrying cash or drugs, showcase how not all serial killers fit the stereotypical mold of killing for sexual or psychological reasons but may instead operate with robbery as a core motivation.

Pancake Murder

85-year-old Stephen Schwartz faces charges for stabbing his 81-year-old wife, Sharon, to death over a disagreement about breakfast pancakes. The argument escalated into a fatal altercation in their home, magnified potentially by Schwartz's compromised impulse control following a recent stroke. This domestic violence case has raised awareness about the role of mental health in criminal acts, particularly among the elderly, highlighting the severe impacts of unaddressed mental impairments.

Weird news

Weird news this week includes a man in Virginia causing suspicion while wandering around in a gingerbread costume and a Thai man escaping the hospital after his penis enlargement procedure led to an infection. Additionally, Parks and Zebrowski discuss the recent solar flare incident humorously described as the sun's "fart" towards Earth, which luckily didn't result in catastrophe. The conversation touches upon the importance of understanding solar flares, especially more powerful X-class flares that could disrupt technology, and how some people still depend on systems vulnerable to solar interferences.

Mental illness and crime

The shocking incident of Jeffrey Sargent decapitating his mother is addressed, revealing the severe consequences of unmanaged mental illness and the lack of proper mental health care both outside and within the U.S. prison system. The hosts also discuss an email from a researcher on the use of psilocybin as a potential treatment for trauma and pain, indicating promising research but cautioning against self-administration. Parks shares his experience with microdosing psilocybin as a depression treatment, emphasizing the careful and sparing use of the substance.

Fun email stories

The hosts share bizarre email stories including the "raccoon hat guy," covered in blood and behaving erratically near Asheville, North Carolina, who has become a local oddity. They also recount the "creepy ice cream man" from Parks' childhood in Texas, who mystified the town's children by driving an ice cream truck and drinking buttermilk in the heat. These tales highlight the quirky scenarios and characters that listeners share with them, painting a vivid picture of the peculiarities that find their way into everyday life.

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  • Richard Bradley Jr. was accused of committing four murders with a primary motivation of financial gain, targeting individuals carrying cash or drugs. This case highlights that not all serial killers fit the typical profile of killing for sexual or psychological reasons; some may be driven by material interests like robbery. Bradley Jr.'s actions demonstrate how serial killers can have diverse motives beyond the common stereotypes associated with their crimes.
  • As people age, they may experience changes in their mental health, which can sometimes lead to impaired judgment or impulse control. In some cases, these mental health issues can contribute to conflicts or violent behavior, such as in the case of the elderly individual mentioned in the text who faced criminal charges following a domestic dispute. It's important to recognize and address mental health concerns in the elderly to prevent such incidents and ensure their well-being. The intersection of mental health and criminal acts among the elderly underscores the need for support and resources to manage mental health challenges in this demographic.
  • Solar flares are sudden, intense bursts of radiation from the sun's surface. They can impact Earth's magnetic field and cause disruptions to communication and power systems. More powerful flares, like X-class flares, have the potential to interfere with satellites and electrical grids. Understanding solar flares is crucial for mitigating their effects on technology and infrastructure.
  • Jeffrey Sargent's incident of decapitating his mother highlights the severe consequences of unmanaged mental illness. It underscores the challenges individuals face when proper mental health care is lacking, both within and outside the U.S. prison system. This case sheds light on the importance of early intervention and support for individuals struggling with mental health issues to prevent tragic outcomes.
  • Psilocybin is a naturally occurring psychedelic compound found in certain mushrooms, known for its mind-altering effects. Research suggests that psilocybin may have therapeutic potential in treating conditions like trauma and pain by affecting brain function and perception. However, caution is advised against self-administration due to the need for controlled settings, proper dosages, and professional guidance to ensure safety and effectiveness. Consulting healthcare professionals or participating in clinical trials is recommended for those interested in exploring psilocybin as a treatment option.

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Serial killers

Zebrowski and Parks delve into the complex definitions surrounding serial killers, the criteria that distinguish them, and a particular case that challenges the conventional understanding of what it means to be a serial killer.

Definition: number of victims, cooling off period

The duo discusses the formal criteria for being labeled a serial killer, which includes the number of victims and the presence of a cooling-off period—the time between the murders.

Marcus Parks explains that a serial killer is generally understood to be someone who murders three or more people, often with a sexual element involved in their motivations. Henry Zebrowski offers a similar but broader definition, describing a serial killer as one who kills more than one victim, in more than one location, over a very short period of time.

Zebrowski also breaks down the distinctions between types of multiple murderers as defined by the FBI, where a spree killer is someone who kills two or more victims over a short period of time without a cooling-off period. In contrast, a mass murderer takes the lives of multiple individuals, typically in a single location.

Richard Bradley Jr charged with 4 murders

Henry Zebrowski highlights the case of Richard Bradley Jr., 40, who stands accused of being a serial killer, specifically charged with four murders, including the murder of Brandy Blake.

The victims that Bradley is charged with murdering were lured under various pretenses, such as searching for gold, and were situations where the victims were known to be carrying substantial amounts of cash. One incident details how Bradley allegedly coerced a father and son into searching for gold due to a falsified inheritance, only to murder them both, implying a modality driven by financial deceit.

Modality & motives: robbery/financial gain

Parks specifies that Richard Bradley Jr. is a mass murderer whose modality stems from killing for profit, implying that while he may enjoy killing, it is akin to a job for him. T ...

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  • A cooling-off period in the context of serial killers is the time between each murder where the killer regains control and composure before committing the next crime. It is a distinct feature that separates serial killers from other types of murderers like spree killers or mass murderers. This period allows the killer to plan their next attack, evade detection, and potentially heighten the thrill they derive from their crimes. The cooling-off period can vary in duration and is a significant factor in understanding the behavior and patterns of serial killers.
  • Spree killers are individuals who kill two or more victims in a short period without a cooling-off period. Mass murderers, on the other hand, take the lives of multiple individuals in a single location. The key difference lies in the presence of a cooling-off period between murders for serial killers, which is absent in both spree killers and mass murderers.
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Pancake Murder

An incident of domestic violence has led to a shocking case involving 85-year-old Stephen Schwartz, who is accused of stabbing his 81-year-old wife, Sharon Schwartz, to death over a breakfast dispute.

Stephen Schwartz is currently facing charges for the fatal stabbing of his wife during an argument that escalated in their home. The contention arose over pancakes Sharon had made, which she wanted Stephen to eat so he could take his medication.

Though married for 40 years and claiming to have loved his wife, Schwartz told authorities that he had hoped the killing was just a delusion. This tragic outcome may have been influenced by a recent stroke Schwartz suffered, which is believed to have affected his impulse control.

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Weird news

This week's weird news spans from a mysterious gingerbread man in Virginia to a hospital escape in Thailand, and even a surprising solar flare event.

Man wanders neighborhood in gingerbread costume

In Arlington, Virginia, the holiday spirit may have taken an odd turn when a man dressed in a gingerbread costume was spotted wandering around a neighborhood. This peculiar character was seen holding a phone without gloves and hovering outside a house. Initially, he did not ring the doorbell and just stood there, which led neighbors to speculate whether he was taking part in a festive celebration or was simply confused.

Confusion continued as the gingerbread man, attempting to open a homeowner’s door, pushed on it and woke them up. When confronted, he claimed he thought it was his friend’s house. Although he may have been seeking holiday cheer, the police were called to deal with what was ultimately deemed suspicious behavior. As he walked away, the gingerbread man appeared saddened by the fear he inadvertently caused.

Man escapes hospital due to infected penis enlargement

A bizarre story unfolded in Thailand where a man, previously incarcerated, was admitted to Bang Lomong Hospital after his penis enlargement injections led to a severe infection. Following a silicone enhancement procedure in a Thai prison, the man required medical attention, but his stay at the hospital was cut short when his wife brought bolt cutters—which she may have concealed inside her body—and freed him by cutting his restraints.

The man’s freedom lasted a mere 28 hours before he was discovered on the roof of the hospital’s psychiatric ward, which wasn’t far from where he was hospitalized. The escape attempt added to his woes, as he now faces the likelihood of losing his penis along with returning to jail.

Sun flares

Marcus Parks and Henry Zebrowski delve into the astrophysics realm with a discussion of a recent solar flare, humorously described as the sun shooting a "fart" at Earth. The impact of this solar activit ...

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  • Solar flares are sudden, intense bursts of radiation from the sun's surface. They can disrupt satellite communications, power grids, and navigation systems on Earth. The potential impact of a strong solar flare, like an X-class flare, could lead to widespread technological disruptions and affect various aspects of modern society. While the specific effects can vary, understanding and monitoring solar activity is crucial to mitigate potential damages caused by these solar events.
  • Solar flares are classified based on their strength and intensity, with X-class flares being the most powerful. The classification system ranges from A, B, C, M, to X, with X-class flares being the strongest. X-class flares have the potential to cause significant disruptions to technology and communication systems on Earth. Understanding and monitoring solar flares is crucial for predicting and mitigating their potential impacts on our technological infrastructure.
  • Shortwave radio is a form of radio transmission that uses shortwave frequencies for c ...

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  • The gingerbread man's behavior, while odd, might not have been with ill intent; it could have been a harmless mistake or a prank gone wrong.
  • Calling the police on the gingerbread man could be seen as an overreaction if there was no clear threat.
  • The story of the man escaping the hospital after a botched penis enlargement could be criticized for potentially trivializing the serious medical and legal issues involved.
  • The escapee's wife's involvement in the escape raises ethical and legal questions that are not addressed in the text.
  • The discussion of solar flares by Marcus Parks and Henry Zebrowski might be criticized for not taking the potential dangers of solar flares seriously enough, given their potential to cause widespread technological disruption.
  • The assertion that ham radio operators and users of "o ...

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Mental illness and crime

Man decapitates mother

The hosts discuss a dismal incident involving Jeffrey Sargent, a 46-year-old man who called 911 and informed the police that he was bipolar and had killed his mother. When police arrived, they found a horrific scene: Sargent was nude in the hallway, lying on his mother's decapitated body, apologizing and singing "Jesus loves me." Security camera footage revealed Sargent sticking his head out of his apartment before rolling his mother's decapitated head down the hallway and then dragging her body out to lie on top of it.

Mental illness not an excuse; still responsible

The hosts express both sympathy and concern regarding the incident, highlighting the complex interplay between mental illness and criminal responsibility. They suggest that Sargent likely lacked access to necessary mental health services, a common issue in the U.S. due to the difficulty and expense of obtaining care. Furthermore, they question the adequacy of mental health services within the prison system, implying that Sargent might not receive appropriate treatment even after incarceration.

But difficulty getting proper treatment in US

The conversation critically acknowledges the shortcomings in the availability and quality of mental health care in the U.S., which often fails to provide support until after a person with a mental health condition has entered the criminal justice system.

Email on psilocybin for trauma/pain treatment

The hosts shift to a related topic as they received an email from a psychological researcher who specializes in severe addictions and trauma. The researcher discusses the use of psilocybin in treatment, explaining that chronic pain c ...

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  • Jeffrey Sargent, a 46-year-old man, called 911 to report that he had killed his mother. When police arrived, they found Sargent naked, lying on his mother's decapitated body, exhibiting unusual behavior. The incident highlights the complex relationship between mental illness and criminal responsibility, with questions raised about the adequacy of mental health services in the U.S. and within the prison system. The security camera footage captured disturbing actions by Sargent, shedding light on the tragic and shocking nature of the event.
  • The interplay between mental illness and criminal responsibility involves assessing how a person's mental health condition may impact their ability to understand the consequences of their actions or conform their behavior to the law. It considers whether the individual had the mental capacity to control their actions at the time of the offense. This evaluation is crucial in determining if the person can be held legally responsible for their behavior or if their mental illness played a significant role in the commission of the crime. The legal system aims to balance accountability with considerations for mental health when addressing criminal cases involving individuals with mental illnesses.
  • Accessing mental health services in the U.S. can be challenging due to factors like high costs, limited insurance coverage, and a shortage of mental health professionals, especially in rural areas. Additionally, stigma surrounding mental health issues can prevent individuals from seeking help, further complicating access to care. The fragmented nature of the mental health system and long wait times for appointments can also hinder timely treatment for those in need. Efforts to improve access to mental health services include initiatives to expand insurance coverage for mental health care and increase funding for mental health programs.
  • In the U.S., mental health services within the prison system often face challenges in providing adequate care to inmates with mental health conditions. This can lead to issues such as lack of proper diagnosis, limited access to therapy and medication, and insufficient mental health staff. In some cases, individuals may not receive the necessary treatment for their mental health needs while incarcerated, which can impact their well-being and potential for rehabilitation.
  • Psilocybin, a compound found in certain mushrooms, is being researched for its potential therapeutic ...

Counterarguments

  • Mental illness can sometimes severely impair judgment and understanding of reality, which may affect the degree of criminal responsibility.
  • The relationship between mental illness and criminal behavior is complex, and not all individuals with mental illness are prone to violence.
  • Access to mental health services is a systemic issue that requires comprehensive policy solutions, not just individual responsibility.
  • The prison system's role in providing mental health care should be re-evaluated, considering the potential for rehabilitation and the protection of society.
  • While mental health care is often criticized for being reactive, there are preventative programs and initiatives that aim to address mental health issues before they lead to criminal behavior.
  • Research into psilocybin and other psychedelics is promising, but it is important to balance optimism with caution due to the limited scope of curren ...

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Fun email stories

Marcus Parks and Henry Zebrowski share some bizarre and humorous stories they've received through emails on their show, painting a picture of outlandish characters and peculiar situations.

Roadkill raccoon hat guy

The hosts discuss a particularly odd sighting near Asheville, North Carolina, where a man covered in blood and moving erratically was spotted. This man, quickly referred to as the "raccoon hat guy," was wearing a roadkill raccoon as a hat, complete with blood, which made quite the shocking sight. The email sender recounts that instead of stopping to help, they decided to keep driving.

Henry Zebrowski gives an account of this man appearing to disappear like a "redneck cryptid" after stepping away from a gas station, giving him a mysterious aura. They contrast the raccoon hat guy with another local character they mention, "Squirrel Hunting Sam," noting that the raccoon hat guy has made such a hat part of his identity.

Marcus raises the question of whether the raccoon man could be disturbing the peace, but Henry dismisses this by saying that in a small town, such behavior might just be brushed off as the raccoon hat guy being his usual self.

Creepy ice cream man chugging buttermilk

Marcus Parks recalls an eerie experience from his childhood in a Texas town with a population of about 400. A stranger driving an ice cream truck appeared one summer, to the delight and bewilderment of the local kids who had only ever seen such a vehicle in movies and TV shows.

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  • The term "enigmatic ice cream man" in this context describes a mysterious and puzzling individual who operated an ice cream truck in a small Texas town. This ice cream man stood out due to his unusual behavior of drinking buttermilk straight from the carton while serving ice cream to children. ...

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