Dive deep into the shadows of human fascination with true crime in this enthralling episode of Last Podcast On The Left, featuring hosts Marcus Parks and Henry Zebrowski who exchange riveting conversations with renowned author Harold Schechter. In a thought-provoking session centered on Schechter's latest creation, "Murderabilia," they dissect society's macabre inclination toward collecting items associated with infamous crimes, and how such phenomena connect to our historical roots. The trio delves into everything from notorious killers' personal effects to the broader cultural impact of true crime narratives, offering a tantalizing glimpse into the darker recesses of the human psyche.
Expanding on the theme, the discussion pivots to the technological shift in our consumption of morbid tales, showing how media advancements have normalized this once-taboo hobby. They ponder the psychology of why we are drawn to such harrowing stories, drawing parallels between sacred religious artifacts and the profane items of 'murderabilia'. As the conversation shifts from historical context to moral conundrums and future narrative possibilities, Last Podcast On The Left provides a portal to confront our intrinsic curiosities, societal reflections, and the perpetual allure of the genre that is true crime.
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In their dynamic dialogue, Marcus Parks and Henry Zebrowski explore the captivating nature of true crime with celebrated author Harold Schechter. Schechter's new book, "Murderabilia," delves into societal fascination with items from notorious crimes, providing narrative through historical objects.
Parks and Zebrowski discuss 'murderabilia', the phenomenon of collecting criminal-linked objects, indicating a longstanding public interest in owning such items. They share personal experiences with items related to figures like Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez.
Schechter further highlights historical crime pamphlets dating back to the 1700s, evidencing society's perpetual hunger for gruesome narratives.
Advancements in technology have significantly transformed the true crime genre, as Schechter discusses the impact of podcasts like "Serial" and documentaries like "The Jinx."
This technological evolution has facilitated and normalized the consumption of true crime, reflecting society's complex relationship with the genre.
Drawing comparisons between religious relics and 'murderabilia', Schechter proposes the idea that items linked to crime may hold a similar, although dark, spiritual significance.
Schechter and Zebrowski ponder the duality of notorious individuals who managed to lead ordinary lives while committing heinous crimes, adding complexity to the stereotypical image of a criminal.
Zebrowski introduces Carl Jung's concept of the 'shadow', suggesting that true crime may offer a pathway for individuals to confront their darkest aspects.
The conversation touches on how crime intersects with ordinary life, with Schechter recounting Ed Gein's surprising act of giving away his mother’s crucifix while institutionalized.
Schechter discusses the cultural fascination with crime, using the Ruth Snyder and Judd Gray case to illustrate the mirror it holds up to societal fears.
The dialogue includes discussions about songs related to historical crimes, showing how crime pervades various forms of popular culture.
The moral implications of collecting 'murderabilia' are debated, with references to historical practices like displaying criminals' corpses in the Old West.
The discussion acknowledges the long history of public fascination with crime as part of a broader convo about societal values and morality.
Schechter shares insights into his forthcoming book "Fifty States of Murder," showcasing localized crimes, and discusses potential graphic novel adaptations.
The conversation shifts to the possibility of adapting true crime stories into graphic novels, highlighting the collaboration between Schechter and artist Eric Powell on Ed Gein's narrative.
The hosts, Zebrowski, and Parks reflect on their direct engagements with crime-related items, showcasing their deep investment in the subject matter.
As the conversation concludes, Zebrowski and Parks thank Schechter for his insights and discuss their own projects, including Twitch streams and upcoming tour dates, demonstrating their broader involvement in the genre and engagement with their audience.
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In their dynamic dialogue, Marcus Parks and Henry Zebrowski explore the captivating nature of true crime with celebrated author Harold Schechter. They delve into the dark and infrequently discussed topic of necrophilia, reflecting on their detailed exploration of the subject. They express particular excitement for the day's conversation, focusing on Schechter's latest publication "Murderabilia."
Schechter delves into how true crime serves as a socially acceptable medium for individuals to safely engage with their darker sides, employing philosophical thought and historical context to support this assertion. During their discussion, the use of dark humor is illustrated by Zebrowski referencing a satirical piece from The Onion, highlighting the disbelief that can coincide with the shocking reality of true crimes.
Parks and Zebrowski discuss 'murderabilia', the collection of objects linked to crimes that have fascinated the public for a long time. A recent law enactment against necrophilia in California as of 2004 highlights the legal system's interest in this aspect of murderabilia.
This interest is further illustrated by Schechter sharing an anecdote about Ed Gein's mother's crucifix, an item which Gein gave away while confined to an institution and later acquired by a friend of Schechter. Their intrigue about the origin and change of hands of such collectibles adds a layer of complexity to the concept of murderabilia, further underscored by a playful jab at French cultural attit ...
Unraveling the Allure of True Crime
Advancements in technology have significantly transformed the true crime genre, as Schechter discusses the impact of podcasts like "Serial" and documentaries like "The Jinx."
He also observes a public hesitancy to acknowledge the entertainment value of true crime, with many citing more socially acceptable motivations for their interest.
True Crime Through the Technological Lens
Drawing comparisons between religious relics and 'murderabilia', Schechter proposes the idea that items linked to crime may hold a similar, although dark, spiritual significance.
Henry Zebrowski adds to this by positing that there's a curiosity about the forbidden knowledge those who commit heinous acts possess—a knowledge of a forbidden realm that most will never experience.
Schechter and Zebrowski ponder the duality of notorious individuals who managed to lead ordinary lives while committing heinous crimes, adding complexity to the stereotypical image of a criminal. This duality is starkly emphasized by the fascination with John Wayne Gacy, who on one hand had a disturbing secret life, and on the other, lived such a normal life that he was influenced by popular figures like Bob Ross.
An acquaintance of Schechter who possesses Gacy's painting materials exemplifies surprising dimensions of murderers.
Zebrowski introduces Carl Jung's concept of the 'shadow', suggesting that tr ...
The Psychology Behind the Fascination with Felony
The conversation touches on how crime intersects with ordinary life.
Schechter discusses his reaction to hearing Ed Gein's surprisingly normal-sounding voice during an interview, which stood in stark contrast to Schechter's preconceived notion of Gein based on historical accounts of his peculiar character.
This suggests a dissonance between the public image and private reality of infamous individuals.
Schechter discusses the cultural fascination with crime, using the Ruth Snyder and Judd Gray case to illustrate the mirror it holds up to societal fears.
He contrasts this case with the Bath School disaster, demonstrating that certain crimes capture public interest and reflect the cultural anxieties of the era more than others.
In the 1920s, the scandal involving S ...
Crime as a Cultural and Social Mirror
The moral implications of collecting 'murderabilia' are debated, alongside the challenges of narrating true crime stories ethically. Harold Schechter discusses striving for a style that is not only captivating but also maintains respect for the subject matter, carefully imparting the horrific details of crimes.
One poignant example provided by Schechter is his research on Albert Fish, a villainous serial killer, showing how he navigates recounting the heinous aspects of such crimes with sensitivity.
The moral implications of collecting 'murabilia' are debated, with a spotlight on specific items like a box carved by convicted murderer Robert Irwin.
Schechter's inclusion of such objects in his collection underlines the ...
Ethical Dilemmas and Moral Musings
Schechter shares insights into his forthcoming book "Fifty States of Murder," where he aims to shed light on notorious crimes that have not caught the national spotlight.
His research for the book has led him to uncover more than 250 intriguing cases previously unknown to him, showcasing the breadth and depth of localized criminal history that will captivate readers.
The conversation shifts to the potential for turning such grim stories into graphic novels, with specific reference to the eerie tales of Count von Kösel and Karl Tan ...
Anticipation for Future True Crime Narratives
The hosts, Zebrowski and Parks, reflect on their direct engagements with crime-related items, sharing their experiences of receiving 'murderabilia', such as personal items from serial killers like Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez.
These incidents highlight their deep investment in the subject matter and the variety of items that can be considered part of this phenomenon.
As the conversation concludes, Zebrowski and Parks express gratitude to Harold Schechter for the enlightening dialogue and his contributions to the genre, endorsing his latest work, "Murderabilia."
They share their anticipati ...
Creators and Contributors: Continuing the Conversation
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