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Dr. Shanna Swan: How to Safeguard Your Hormone Health & Fertility

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In this episode of the Huberman Lab podcast, Dr. Shanna Swan examines the concerning impacts of endocrine-disrupting chemicals like phthalates on male and female reproductive health. Her research shows prenatal exposure to these chemicals can lead to incomplete masculinization in male offspring and impact sperm counts. Swan also explores how endocrine disruptors may contribute to masculine traits in females and earlier puberty onset and menopause.

The episode covers the observed global decline in fertility rates across species, potentially linked to increased environmental exposures since the 1950s. With this decline raising socioeconomic concerns, Swan and Andrew Huberman discuss practical ways to reduce exposure through everyday actions, such as avoiding certain plastics and opting for organic produce.

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Dr. Shanna Swan: How to Safeguard Your Hormone Health & Fertility

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Endocrine Disruptors and Male Reproductive Health

Shanna Swan raises concerns about the detrimental effects of chemicals like phthalates on male fertility. Swan's research shows that prenatal exposure to phthalates can lead to "phthalate syndrome" in male offspring, causing incomplete masculinization of genitalia. Studies in rats found phthalates caused malformations like smaller penis size, depending on timing of exposure. In humans, Swan found shorter anogenital distance in infant boys with higher prenatal phthalate exposure, a trait linked to lower sperm counts later.

Declining Sperm Counts and Environmental Factors

Swan highlights declining sperm counts and quality linked to environmental exposures rather than genetics or lifestyle. Areas with high pesticide use show lower sperm counts, with triazine herbicides like atrazine implicated. Swan emphasizes the impacts of disrupting reproductive biology during critical developmental periods.

Endocrine Disruptors and Female Reproductive Health

Swan's work explores how chemicals affect female development. Daughters of women with polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS), characterized by high androgen levels, tend to have more masculine anogenital distance, suggesting prenatal androgen exposure masculinizes female reproductive development. Some evidence indicates endocrine disruptors may contribute to earlier puberty onset and earlier menopause in women.

Societal Implications of Declining Fertility

Declining fertility rates are observed across species, implying environmental changes like increased plastics and pesticides since the 1950s may be a factor. Many countries face birth rates below replacement level, leading to workforce imbalances supporting aging populations. This trend and reliance on assisted reproduction raise socioeconomic concerns.

Reducing Exposure to Endocrine Disruptors

To limit exposure, Swan and Andrew Huberman recommend avoiding plastic containers for hot foods/drinks which can leach chemicals, choosing fragrance-free personal care products as fragrances often contain phthalates, and buying organic produce to avoid pesticides with phthalates designed for absorption. Daily actions can reduce contact with hormone-disrupting compounds.

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  • Phthalate syndrome in male offspring is a condition linked to prenatal exposure to phthalates, chemicals commonly found in plastics. It can lead to incomplete masculinization of genitalia, affecting aspects like anogenital distance and potentially sperm counts later in life. Studies suggest that exposure to phthalates during critical developmental periods can result in malformations such as smaller penis size in male offspring. The effects of phthalate syndrome highlight the potential impact of environmental chemicals on male reproductive health.
  • Anogenital distance (AGD) is the measurement between the anus and the genitals. In the context of prenatal phthalate exposure, a shorter AGD in male infants has been linked to higher levels of phthalates in the womb. This shorter AGD is associated with potential impacts on male reproductive health, such as lower sperm counts later in life. AGD is used as a marker for assessing the effects of endocrine-disrupting chemicals on reproductive development.
  • Triazine herbicides like atrazine are chemicals commonly used in agriculture to control weeds. Studies suggest that exposure to these herbicides may be linked to lower sperm counts in males. The impact of triazine herbicides on sperm counts is believed to be one of the environmental factors contributing to declining male fertility rates.
  • Polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) in mothers can lead to higher androgen levels during pregnancy. This excess androgen exposure in the womb can influence the development of female fetuses, potentially affecting traits like anogenital distance. Anogenital distance is a measure of reproductive development and can be influenced by hormonal imbalances during critical periods of fetal growth. Studies suggest that daughters of women with PCOS may exhibit more masculine anogenital distance due to the prenatal androgen exposure.
  • Endocrine disruptors are chemicals that can interfere with the body's endocrine system, affecting hormone regulation. These substances can mimic or block hormones, leading to various health issues, including reproductive problems. Exposure to endocrine disruptors during critical developmental stages can impact reproductive development in both males and females. Researchers like Shanna Swan have studied how these chemicals can influence fertility, sperm quality, and reproductive health outcomes.
  • Declining fertility rates can lead to a shrinking workforce as there are fewer young people entering the job market. This imbalance can strain social welfare systems designed for a larger working population. As populations age without enough younger workers, there may be challenges in supporting healthcare systems and pension programs. Addressing declining fertility rates is crucial for maintaining a sustainable economy and social structure.
  • To reduce exposure to endocrine disruptors, it is recommended to avoid using plastic containers for hot foods or drinks, as these containers can release harmful chemicals. Opt for fragrance-free personal care products, as fragrances often contain phthalates, which are known endocrine disruptors. Choose organic produce to minimize exposure to pesticides that may contain endocrine-disrupting chemicals. These simple daily actions can help limit contact with substances that can interfere with hormone function in the body.

Counterarguments

  • The link between phthalates and reproductive issues, while supported by some studies, is still a subject of ongoing research, and not all studies have found a consistent association.
  • The decline in sperm counts could be influenced by a wide range of factors, including changes in health, diet, stress levels, and even the methodology of sperm count studies over time.
  • The causality between environmental factors and declining sperm quality is complex and may involve interactions with genetic predispositions and lifestyle choices, not just exposure to chemicals.
  • The relationship between pesticide exposure and sperm counts may be confounded by other variables, such as socioeconomic status, general health, and occupational exposures that are not directly related to pesticides.
  • The interpretation of anogenital distance and its implications for reproductive health is still debated, and some researchers argue that its significance may be overstated.
  • The role of endocrine disruptors in the timing of puberty and menopause is not fully understood, and other factors such as nutrition and body mass index also play a significant role.
  • The assertion that declining fertility rates are primarily due to environmental factors does not account for the voluntary reduction in family size due to societal changes, economic factors, and increased access to contraception.
  • The socioeconomic concerns related to assisted reproduction and declining fertility rates are multifaceted and may also reflect broader changes in societal values and personal choices regarding family and career.
  • Recommendations to reduce exposure to endocrine disruptors, while potentially beneficial, may not be practical or affordable for all individuals, and the efficacy of such measures in improving reproductive health outcomes has not been conclusively demonstrated.
  • Organic produce can also contain pesticides, and the distinction between organic and conventional farming practices is more nuanced than often presented, with some organic pesticides also raising health concerns.

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The impact of endocrine disruptors like phthalates and BPA on male fertility and reproductive health

Experts raise alarms about the detrimental effects of hormone disrupting chemicals on male reproductive health, backing their claims with extensive research.

Phthalates and other chemical compounds can disrupt male sexual development and reproductive function through prenatal exposure

Researchers have indicated that prenatal exposure to endocrine disruptors like phthalates can lead to what is dubbed as "Phthalate syndrome" in male offspring, resulting in incomplete masculinization of male genitalia and other reproductive abnormalities. Shanna Swan confirms that exposure to substances such as DEHP can lead to smaller penis size, less testicular descent, and smaller scrotums in male children.

Studies on rats have been pivotal in understanding these effects, revealing that exposure to phthalates during a critical window of fetal development can lead to incompletely masculinized genitals in male offspring. These studies suggest that there is a specific critical window of exposure for genital development—Swan points out, in rats, this is around days 9 to 12 of gestation, and exposure outside this window does not seem to produce the same changes.

Studies in rats found adverse effects on male genital development

Experiments carried out by the National Toxicology Program on rats showed that male offspring born to mothers exposed to varying doses of phthalates during pregnancy exhibited a range of genital changes, collectively termed as the "Phthalate syndrome." These included smaller penis size, less testicular descent, and other genital malformations, all indicative of disrupted sexual development.

Swan's research translated these findings to humans, studying prenatal phthalate exposure's effects on the genitalia of human male infants. She established a method to measure anogenital distance (AGD) in newborn boys and correlated it with prenatal phthalate exposure levels. Boys with a shorter AGD, a marker for fetal anti-androgen exposure, exhibited traits similar to the "Phthalate syndrome." Observations in male college students further supported these findings, with longer AGD associated with higher sperm counts.

Declining sperm counts and quality linked to environmental exposures

Declining male sperm counts have been related to environmental exposures rather than solely genetic or lifestyle factors. Studies indicate that men in areas with higher pesticide use have lower sperm counts. Certain environmental compounds like atrazine have been implicated in this decline.

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  • Phthalate syndrome is a term used to describe a set of reproductive abnormalities in male offspring caused by prenatal exposure to phthalates, which are endocrine-disrupting chemicals. These abnormalities can include incomplete masculinization of male genitalia, smaller penis size, less testicular descent, and other genital malformations. Studies suggest that exposure to phthalates during a critical window of fetal development can lead to these effects, impacting male reproductive health. Researchers like Shanna Swan have highlighted the link between prenatal phthalate exposure and the manifestation of traits associated with Phthalate syndrome in male infants.
  • Anogenital distance (AGD) is the measurement between the anus and the genitals. In research, AGD is used as a marker for fetal anti-androgen exposure. A shorter AGD in male infants can indicate exposure to substances that interfere with male hormone (androgen) function during fetal development. AGD is a physical characteristic that can reflect potential disruptions in the masculinization process of male reproductive organs.
  • During fetal development in rats, exposure to phthalates during a specific critical window, typically around days 9 to 12 of gestation, can lead to incompletely masculinized genitals in male offspring. This critical period is crucial for the proper development of male reproductive organs, and exposure outside this window may not result in the same effects on genital development. Studies have shown that exposure to phthalates during this specific timeframe can lead to a range of genital abnormalities in male rat offspring, highlighting the importance of timing in understanding the impact of endocrine disruptors on reproductive health.
  • Metabolites of pesticides are breakdown products that form when pesticides are processed in the body. These metabolites can affect sperm parameters by interfering with hormonal balance and reproductive functions. The impact of these metabolites on sperm ...

Counterarguments

  • The extrapolation from animal studies to humans can be complex and may not always directly apply due to differences in biology and exposure levels.
  • The methodology for measuring anogenital distance (AGD) and its correlation with reproductive health is still a subject of debate, and there may be other factors influencing AGD that are not accounted for.
  • While epidemiological studies suggest a link between environmental exposures and lower sperm counts, establishing a direct cause-and-effect relationship is challenging due to the multitude of variables involved.
  • Some studies have found that lifestyle factors, such as diet, stress, and obesity, also play a significant role in male fertility, which might confound the results attributed to environmental exposures.
  • The chemical industry often argues that the levels of BPA and phthalates found in the environment and products are below the thresholds considered harmful by regulatory agencies.
  • There is ongoing debate about the sensitivity of current testing methods for endocrine disruptors and whether they accurately reflect the risk to human health.
  • Regulatory agencies and some scientific reviews have sometimes reached different conclusions about the safety of these chemicals, suggesting that more research is n ...

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The impact of endocrine disruptors on female fertility and reproductive health

The influence of endocrine disruptors on women's reproductive health and fertility is raising concern, with substantial research suggesting a connection between chemical exposures and changes in reproductive development and milestones.

Women with polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS), which is characterized by elevated androgen levels, tend to have daughters with more masculine anogenital distance

Reproductive epidemiologist Shanna Swan's work examines the intricate relationship between chemical endocrine disruptors and fertility. Her research encompasses the effects of substances like oral contraceptives, which are intentionally designed to interfere with the endocrine system. Swan discusses a study that highlights the daughters of women with PCOS—a condition characterized by elevated levels of androgens—tending to have a more 'masculine' anogenital distance. This observation leads to the conclusion that prenatal androgen exposure can indeed masculinize the development of the female reproductive system.

Exposures to endocrine disruptors may be contributing to earlier onset of puberty and earlier menopause in women

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  • Anogenital distance (AGD) is the measurement between the anus and the genitals. In research, AGD is used as a marker of prenatal androgen exposure. A shorter AGD in females has been associated with higher androgen levels during development. It is considered an indicator of potential effects of endocrine disruptors on reproductive development.
  • Endocrine disruptors can impact the development of polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) by influencing hormone levels, particularly androgens. Research suggests that exposure to certain chemicals can lead to elevated androgen levels, a key characteristic of PCOS. This hormonal imbalance can affect the reproductive system, potentially influencing the development of female offspring. The link between endocrine disruptors and PCOS highlights the complex interplay between environmental factors and reproductive health.
  • Oral contraceptives, commonly known as birth control pills, contain synthetic hormones like estrogen and progestin. These hormones work by suppressing the body's natural hormone production, specifically by inhibiting ovulation. By altering hormone levels, oral contraceptives prevent pregnancy by interfering with the normal hormonal fluctuations that lead to ovulation. This disruption in the hormonal balance helps to prevent the release of an egg from the ovary, thereby reducing the chances of fertilization.
  • Prenatal androgen exposure refers to the presence of male sex hormones, such as testosterone, during fetal development in the womb. When a female fetus is exposed to higher levels of androgens than typical, it can impact the development of the reproductive system, potentially leading to more masculine characteristics. This exposure during critical stages of fetal development can influence the differentiation of reproductive organs and structures, affecting aspects like anogenital distance and potentially contributing to long-term reproductive health outcomes.
  • Endocrine disruptors can interfere with the body's hormonal balance, potentially affecting the timing of puberty and menopause by mimicking or blocking natural hormones. These disruptions can lead to early puberty or premature menopause by altering the normal hormonal signaling pathways in the body. The impact of endocrine disruptors on these reproductive milestones is ...

Counterarguments

  • The link between PCOS in mothers and anogenital distance in daughters may not be solely due to endocrine disruptors; genetic and other environmental factors could also play a significant role.
  • The relationship between oral contraceptives and long-term fertility impacts is complex, and many women use them without experiencing negative effects on their reproductive health.
  • While prenatal androgen exposure is associated with masculinization in some studies, the extent and permanence of these effects are not fully understood, and other factors may also contribute to variations in anogenital distance.
  • The evidence connecting endocrine disruptors to earlier puberty and menopause is correlational, and it is challenging to establish causation due to the multitude of factors involved in reproductive development.
  • The hypothesis that chemical exposure is shor ...

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The broader societal implications of declining fertility rates in humans and other species

Research by experts like Swan and commentary by figures like Andrew Huberman reveal the distressing pattern of declining fertility rates in humans and other species, a phenomenon that signals broader societal challenges and illustrates the impact of environmental factors on reproductive health.

Declining fertility rates are not just a human phenomenon, but are observed across many animal species as well

Swan highlights that declining fertility rates are affecting not just humans but a broad spectrum of animal species. This pattern suggests that environmental changes, potentially linked to the use of plastics and pesticides that have proliferated since the 1950s, might be driving down reproductive rates across species. Swan points out that the rising number of species facing extinction supports the notion that the factors affecting human fertility are impacting other living organisms as well. Unlike humans, the fertility decline in non-human species cannot be chalked up to social factors like delayed childbearing or intentional contraception, pointing to more ubiquitous environmental factors at play.

Falling birth rates below replacement level in many countries pose significant societal challenges

Swan discusses the troubling global trend of birth rates declining below the critical threshold of replacement-level fertility, which is a rate of two. Falling below this level leads to a shrinking society. Some countries, like South Korea with a fertility rate of 0.78 and Japan with a rate of one, are already facing this reality. These demographic shifts can lead to an imbalance where a dwindling workforce must support an increasing elderly population, potentially undermining the economic and social structures that societies depend on.

Swan indicates that as fertility rates continue to decline, societies may become more reliant on medically assisted concept ...

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  • Shanna Swan is a renowned environmental and reproductive epidemiologist known for her research on declining fertility rates and environmental factors' impact on reproductive health. Andrew Huberman is a neuroscientist who provides commentary on various topics, including the implications of declining fertility rates on society and the environment. Both experts contribute valuable insights to the discussion on the broader societal implications of decreasing fertility rates in humans and other species.
  • Replacement-level fertility is the rate at which each woman, on average, needs to give birth to exactly enough children to replace herself and her partner in the population. This rate is typically set at around 2.1 children per woman to account for mortality and ensure population stability. When birth rates fall below this threshold, a population may face challenges like an aging demographic and a shrinking workforce.
  • Plastics and pesticides contain chemicals known as endocrine disruptors that can interfere with hormonal balance in organisms, potentially affecting reproductive health. These chemicals can mimic or block hormones, leading to disruptions in fertility and reproductive processes. The widespread use of plastics and pesticides since the 1950s has raised concerns about their impact on fertility rates in both humans and other species. Research suggests a correlation between exposure to these chemicals and declining fertility rates observed across various animal species.
  • A shrinking society due to falling birth rates can lead to an imbalance where there are fewer young people to support an increasing elderly population. This demographic shift can strain social welfare systems and economic structures, as a smaller workforce may struggle to sustain the needs of a growing number of retirees. Additiona ...

Counterarguments

  • The link between environmental factors and declining fertility rates, while supported by some research, is complex and multifaceted; other factors such as lifestyle changes, stress levels, and nutrition may also play significant roles.
  • Some argue that a declining population could have positive effects, such as reduced strain on resources and the environment, which could lead to a more sustainable balance between humans and the ecosystem.
  • The societal challenges of declining birth rates might be mitigated by changes in immigration policy, increased labor force participation, or advancements in automation and technology that reduce the need for a large workforce.
  • The reliance on medically assisted conception is not necessarily negative; it could be seen as an advancement in medical technology that allows more people to experience parenthood who otherwise could not.
  • While reproductive competence may be diminishing, this could also be a reflection of greater societal shifts where individuals prioritize career, personal development, or other life goals over starting a ...

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Practical steps individuals can take to reduce exposure to endocrine disruptors

Shanna Swan and Andrew Huberman discuss practical steps that individuals can take to reduce exposure to harmful chemicals known as endocrine disruptors, focusing on changes in food consumption, product choices, and storage practices.

Avoiding plastic food and beverage containers, especially for hot foods and drinks

Swan mentions that foodborne exposures and drinks are areas where individuals have some control over their contact with harmful substances. To reduce exposure to endocrine disruptors from plastics, Swan suggests buying in bulk and using a glass jar rather than choosing plastic-packaged items.

Plastic items can leach bisphenols and phthalates into the contents

Canned products are identified as a primary source of BPA exposure, with Swan advising against consuming foods and beverages that come in cans. She warns that many "BPA-free" products contain BPS or BPF, which are just as harmful due to their chemical similarity. She also warns against putting plastic in the microwave or leaving plastic bottles in hot cars, as these practices can cause chemicals to leach into food and water.

Choosing fragrance-free personal care and cleaning products

The use of fragrance-free products is inferred from discussions on being cautious about the chemical content in personal care products. Swan references using resources like the Environmental Working Group to flag products with harmful chemicals, including fragrances. She also explains that phthalates are often added to products like scented items and lipstick, as they hold scent and color well.

Fragrances often contain phthalates and other hormone-disrupting chemicals

Swan mentions the ubiquity of phthalates in personal care items designed for absorption, such as hand creams. She notes that anything intended to be absorbed is likely to contain phthalates. Her discussions with Huberman, covering safety concerns around household items such as soaps, body washes, cleaning sprays, and laundry detergents, suggest that c ...

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  • While avoiding plastic containers may reduce exposure to certain chemicals, it's important to note that not all plastics contain harmful substances, and many are considered safe by regulatory agencies when used as intended.
  • The term "BPA-free" can be misleading, but some alternative products may use safer chemicals that don't have the same estrogenic activity as BPA, BPS, or BPF, although more research may be needed to confirm their safety.
  • Fragrance-free products can indeed reduce exposure to certain chemicals, but not all fragrances or scented products contain endocrine disruptors, and some natural fragrances may be safe.
  • The advice to use resources like the Environmental Working Group (EWG) for product safety information may not always align with scientific consensus, as some experts criticize the EWG for being overly cautious and not always basing their recommendations on the best available evidence.
  • Organic produce is not necessarily free of pesticides; it often uses organic pesticides, which can also have health and environmental impacts, and the term "organic" does not guarantee a produ ...

Actionables

  • You can start a kitchenware swap with friends to exchange plastic items for glass or stainless steel alternatives, fostering a community effort to reduce plastic use and sharing resources for healthier food storage.
    • Organizing a swap meet allows you to replace plastic containers without the need to purchase new items, making it cost-effective and environmentally friendly. For example, you might trade your plastic salad bowl for a friend's extra glass container, ensuring that your hot foods and beverages are stored in safer materials.
  • Create a DIY personal care and cleaning product club where members share recipes and samples of homemade, fragrance-free products.
    • This club could meet monthly to exchange their latest creations, like a homemade deodorant or an all-purpose cleaner made from vinegar and essential oils. By doing this, you not only learn to make your own products without harmful chemicals but also get to try a variety of alternatives created by your peers, which can be more effective and enjoyable than store-bought versions. ...

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