In this episode of the Huberman Lab podcast, Andrew Huberman and Dr. Peter Attia explore the potential longevity benefits of the NAD pathway. They examine how NAD, a molecule involved in energy production and DNA repair, declines with age and may contribute to age-related energy decreases.
The discussion covers the research interest surrounding NAD and its role as a cofactor for sirtuins, proteins involved in processes like mitochondrial biogenesis and suppressing cellular senescence. However, Attia asserts that, despite these mechanisms linking NAD to longevity, there is currently no clear evidence that increasing NAD levels through supplementation leads to lifespan or healthspan improvements in humans. The two also compare the different routes to increase NAD levels, weighing factors like cost and efficacy.
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Peter Attia highlights that NAD, a ubiquitous molecule involved in energy production and DNA repair, declines with age. This decline is accompanied by a reduction in redox potential, potentially contributing to age-related energy decreases.
Attia explains that the NAD pathway has become an area of interest for longevity research due to NAD's role as a cofactor for sirtuins, proteins involved in processes like mitochondrial biogenesis, DNA repair, and suppressing cellular senescence. Overexpressing sirtuins extended lifespan in yeast studies, and a transgenic mouse model saw 10-15% lifespan extension in males from SIRT6 overexpression, per Attia.
Despite the mechanisms connecting NAD to longevity, Attia states there is no clear evidence that increasing NAD levels through supplementation leads to lifespan or healthspan improvements. The rigorous Interventions Testing Program (ITP) found no benefits from administering NAD precursors like NR to mice. Human studies on NR and NMN supplements only showed small, clinically insignificant effects.
Andrew Huberman and Attia discuss different routes to increase NAD levels:
NR enters cells directly, while NMN requires removing a phosphate group first. However, Attia suggests this difference is minor.
Dosages and costs vary. Huberman notes NMN is cheaper, which factored into his preference for it.
IV NAD infusions increase levels but are expensive (up to $1000) and uncomfortable during infusion, per Huberman's experience.
Attia implies there isn't a compelling difference between NR, NMN, or IV NAD, as they all increase NAD levels, with the main considerations being commercial (cost and dosage).
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Peter Attia emphasizes the importance of NAD and its role in the body's cellular processes, particularly as they relate to aging and longevity.
NAD, one of the most ubiquitous molecules in the body, is involved in hundreds of pathways. Primary among its functions, NAD serves as an electron shuttle. However, as we age, NAD levels decline in most tissues—the decline is most prevalent in the skin, with an average 60% reduction over a person's lifetime.
Studies indicate that in whole blood, NAD levels decrease by about 10 to 20% over four decades. This drop is accompanied by an increase in NADH levels, alluding to a change in redox potential which is associated with mitochondrial function diminishments with age. Peter Attia suggests that this declining redox potential might be linked to the energy decrease experienced as we age.
The NAD pathway has become a focal point for research into lifespan and healthspan enhancement. Attia discusses cellular pathways including NAD that are of interest for longevity research. He highlights components such as NR, NMN, and NAD itself as integral to sirtuin function and roles in mitochondrial biogenesis, DNA repair, and the suppression of senescence-associated secretory phenotype (SASP).
Sirtuins consume a small fraction of NAD in the process of DNA repair. Attia references research indicating that sirtuins, activated by NAD, can improve mitochondrial biogenesis, increase DNA repair, and reduce SASPs.
Matt Kaeberlein's experiment with yeast, which lived longer when overexpressing Sirtu, indicates a role for sirtuins in lifespan extension. Furthermore, research shows that overexpressing sirtuins in yeast can extend lifespan, suggesting that sirtuins play a role in longevity, although the connection of sirtuins to caloric restriction remains unclear.
Andrew Huberman discusses the idea that increased NAD could potentially slow aging by reducing reactive oxygen species and improving mitochondrial function. He acknowledges the complexity of the assumption that higher NAD levels directly correlate ...
The NAD pathway and its role in aging
Dr. Peter Attia and various experts dive into the research and clinical trials surrounding NAD supplementation, discussing the outcomes and implications for healthspan and lifespan.
Through a systematic review of research literature and clinical trials, Attia implies that despite significant announcements and ongoing developments, there is skepticism regarding the effectiveness of NAD supplementation to slow aging. This idea is not as straightforward as once assumed.
Peter Attia highlights that the Interventions Testing Program (ITP), funded by the National Institute on Aging, has not found any benefits for lifespan or healthspan from administering NAD precursors like NR to mice. The ITP conducts experiments across three independent labs in triplicate, ensuring the robustness of results. Attia specifies that NR was tested at a potent dose and did not result in life extension or healthspan improvement. Ultimately, the ITP found that megadose NR had the same result as placebo.
A study on a product containing NR and pterostilbene saw no significant difference in various health metrics compared to placebo, though a sub-analysis found a modest reduction in hepatic fat that was statistically — but not clinically — significant. Other human studies involving NMN supplementation showed only minor, clinically insignificant effects on glucose metabolism and nonsignificant reductions in hepatic fat. Attia notes that the overall human study results showed only a small change in LDL cholesterol and slight improvements in other non-essential metrics.
The evidence (or lack thereof) for NAD supplementation improving lifespan and healthspan
Andrew Huberman and Peter Attia engage in a discussion about various approaches to boosting NAD levels in the body, including through supplements like NR (nicotinamide riboside) and NMN (nicotinamide mononucleotide), as well as direct intravenous infusions. They explore the mechanisms by which these supplements enter cells, their potential effects on health, and considerations regarding cost, dosage, and commercial interests in the marketplace.
Huberman states that NR can cross cell membranes directly, implying it can increase NAD levels without further transformation. In contrast, NMN must have a phosphate group removed before the body can use it, turning it into NR post-ingestion. This suggests that more NMN may be needed compared to NR to achieve the same increase in NAD levels. Despite this, Attia mentioned that after the phosphate group is cleaved off NMN, you're essentially left with NR, suggesting a similar end result.
Huberman refers to claims from developers of NR supplements that NR is 25% more effective than NMN at raising whole blood NAD levels on a milligram-per-milligram basis.
Huberman mentions the cost considerations and that he has opted for sublingual NMN based on this. The dosage can be adjusted to account for the differences in bioavailability between the two, as discussed by Attia, who suggests that there is not much of a practical difference in outcomes between intravenous NAD, NR, or NMN, since all increase NAD levels.
Attia notes that the only observed effect from taking these supplements is accelerated hair growth, suggesting a comparable effect between NR and NMN. They also discuss that cost and dosage are more of a commerc ...
Comparing the different NAD precursor supplements and their effects
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