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Dr. Peter Attia: Supplements for Longevity & Their Efficacy

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In this episode of the Huberman Lab podcast, Andrew Huberman and Dr. Peter Attia explore the potential longevity benefits of the NAD pathway. They examine how NAD, a molecule involved in energy production and DNA repair, declines with age and may contribute to age-related energy decreases.

The discussion covers the research interest surrounding NAD and its role as a cofactor for sirtuins, proteins involved in processes like mitochondrial biogenesis and suppressing cellular senescence. However, Attia asserts that, despite these mechanisms linking NAD to longevity, there is currently no clear evidence that increasing NAD levels through supplementation leads to lifespan or healthspan improvements in humans. The two also compare the different routes to increase NAD levels, weighing factors like cost and efficacy.

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Dr. Peter Attia: Supplements for Longevity & Their Efficacy

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The NAD pathway and its role in aging

Peter Attia highlights that NAD, a ubiquitous molecule involved in energy production and DNA repair, declines with age. This decline is accompanied by a reduction in redox potential, potentially contributing to age-related energy decreases.

The NAD pathway is being explored for longevity benefits

Attia explains that the NAD pathway has become an area of interest for longevity research due to NAD's role as a cofactor for sirtuins, proteins involved in processes like mitochondrial biogenesis, DNA repair, and suppressing cellular senescence. Overexpressing sirtuins extended lifespan in yeast studies, and a transgenic mouse model saw 10-15% lifespan extension in males from SIRT6 overexpression, per Attia.

The evidence (or lack thereof) for NAD supplementation

Despite the mechanisms connecting NAD to longevity, Attia states there is no clear evidence that increasing NAD levels through supplementation leads to lifespan or healthspan improvements. The rigorous Interventions Testing Program (ITP) found no benefits from administering NAD precursors like NR to mice. Human studies on NR and NMN supplements only showed small, clinically insignificant effects.

Comparing NAD precursor supplements

Andrew Huberman and Attia discuss different routes to increase NAD levels:

  • NR enters cells directly, while NMN requires removing a phosphate group first. However, Attia suggests this difference is minor.

  • Dosages and costs vary. Huberman notes NMN is cheaper, which factored into his preference for it.

  • IV NAD infusions increase levels but are expensive (up to $1000) and uncomfortable during infusion, per Huberman's experience.

Attia implies there isn't a compelling difference between NR, NMN, or IV NAD, as they all increase NAD levels, with the main considerations being commercial (cost and dosage).

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  • Redox potential is a measure of a substance's tendency to gain or lose electrons in a chemical reaction. It indicates how readily a molecule can be reduced or oxidized. In the context of aging and energy production, a decline in redox potential with age can contribute to decreases in cellular energy levels. Redox potential is expressed in volts and is crucial for understanding electron transfer processes in biological systems.
  • Sirtuins are a class of proteins that play a role in various cellular processes like aging, metabolism, and stress response. They require NAD+ to function and are involved in regulating gene expression and maintaining cellular health. Sirtuins have been studied for their potential impact on longevity and age-related diseases, although the direct effects on human aging are still under investigation.
  • Mitochondrial biogenesis is the process through which cells increase the number of mitochondria they have. This process is crucial for enhancing cellular energy production and metabolic capacity. It involves the replication of mitochondria through the synthesis of proteins from both the nuclear and mitochondrial genomes. Increased mitochondrial biogenesis is often observed in response to cellular stress or stimuli like exercise, leading to improved cellular function and energy metabolism.
  • Cellular senescence is a state where cells stop dividing. It can be triggered by various stress factors like DNA damage or oxidative stress. Senescent cells play roles in preventing cancer and contribute to aging-related conditions.
  • A transgenic mouse model is a genetically modified mouse that carries a foreign gene, typically introduced to study the function or effects of that specific gene. Researchers can manipulate the mouse's genetic makeup to observe how the introduced gene influences traits or behaviors in the mouse. This method helps scientists understand the role of specific genes in biological processes and diseases. Transgenic mouse models are valuable tools in biomedical research for investigating gene function and potential therapeutic interventions.
  • NAD precursors like NR and NMN are molecules that can be converted into NAD in the body. NR (nicotinamide riboside) and NMN (nicotinamide mononucleotide) are forms of vitamin B3 that can help boost NAD levels, which play a crucial role in various cellular processes related to energy production and DNA repair. These precursors are used in supplements to potentially support overall health and combat aging-related decline in NAD levels.
  • IV NAD infusions involve administering NAD directly into the bloodstream through an intravenous route. This method is used to increase NAD levels in the body more rapidly compared to oral supplements. IV NAD infusions are known for their efficiency in delivering NAD directly into the bloodstream for potential health benefits.

Counterarguments

  • The decline of NAD with age and its impact on redox potential and energy levels is complex, and other factors may also contribute significantly to age-related energy decreases.
  • While the NAD pathway's role in longevity is promising, the exact mechanisms by which it affects aging in humans are not fully understood, and other pathways may be equally or more important.
  • The extension of lifespan in yeast and mouse models through sirtuin overexpression may not directly translate to humans due to species-specific differences in biology and aging.
  • The lack of evidence for NAD supplementation in improving lifespan or healthspan might be due to limitations in current research methods, insufficient study durations, or suboptimal dosing regimens.
  • The ITP's findings on NAD precursors like NR not benefiting mice might not be applicable to all contexts or populations, and further research could reveal benefits under different conditions or in combination with other interventions.
  • Human studies on NR and NMN supplements may show small effects, but these could become more significant with longer-term use or in specific subpopulations.
  • The differences in how NR and NMN enter cells could have implications for their efficacy or safety profiles that are not yet fully understood.
  • The cost and discomfort of IV NAD infusions might be justified for certain individuals, depending on their health status and goals.
  • The assertion that there isn't a compelling difference between NR, NMN, or IV NAD in increasing NAD levels may overlook potential nuances in pharmacokinetics, bioavailability, and individual responses to these treatments.

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The NAD pathway and its role in aging

Peter Attia emphasizes the importance of NAD and its role in the body's cellular processes, particularly as they relate to aging and longevity.

NAD is a ubiquitous molecule involved in energy production and DNA repair in every cell except red blood cells

NAD, one of the most ubiquitous molecules in the body, is involved in hundreds of pathways. Primary among its functions, NAD serves as an electron shuttle. However, as we age, NAD levels decline in most tissues—the decline is most prevalent in the skin, with an average 60% reduction over a person's lifetime.

Studies indicate that in whole blood, NAD levels decrease by about 10 to 20% over four decades. This drop is accompanied by an increase in NADH levels, alluding to a change in redox potential which is associated with mitochondrial function diminishments with age. Peter Attia suggests that this declining redox potential might be linked to the energy decrease experienced as we age.

The NAD pathway has been proposed as a potential target for improving lifespan and healthspan

NAD is a cofactor for sirtuins, which are involved in processes like mitochondrial biogenesis, DNA repair, and senescent cell suppression

The NAD pathway has become a focal point for research into lifespan and healthspan enhancement. Attia discusses cellular pathways including NAD that are of interest for longevity research. He highlights components such as NR, NMN, and NAD itself as integral to sirtuin function and roles in mitochondrial biogenesis, DNA repair, and the suppression of senescence-associated secretory phenotype (SASP).

Sirtuins consume a small fraction of NAD in the process of DNA repair. Attia references research indicating that sirtuins, activated by NAD, can improve mitochondrial biogenesis, increase DNA repair, and reduce SASPs.

Studies in yeast and a transgenic mouse model have shown that increasing sirtuin activity can extend lifespan, but the connection between sirtuins and caloric restriction is not clear

Matt Kaeberlein's experiment with yeast, which lived longer when overexpressing Sirtu, indicates a role for sirtuins in lifespan extension. Furthermore, research shows that overexpressing sirtuins in yeast can extend lifespan, suggesting that sirtuins play a role in longevity, although the connection of sirtuins to caloric restriction remains unclear.

Andrew Huberman discusses the idea that increased NAD could potentially slow aging by reducing reactive oxygen species and improving mitochondrial function. He acknowledges the complexity of the assumption that higher NAD levels directly correlate ...

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  • NAD serves as an electron shuttle by carrying electrons between molecules during various cellular processes. This role allows NAD to participate in energy production and other essential functions within cells. Essentially, NAD acts as a carrier of high-energy electrons, facilitating crucial biochemical reactions. This electron transfer capability is fundamental to NAD's involvement in processes like metabolism and DNA repair.
  • Redox potential is a measure of the tendency of a molecule to gain or lose electrons. In the context of mitochondria, redox potential is crucial for energy production. Changes in redox potential can impact mitochondrial function, affecting processes like ATP production and overall cellular energy levels.
  • NR (nicotinamide riboside) and NMN (nicotinamide mononucleotide) are precursors to NAD, a molecule crucial for cellular energy production and DNA repair. These compounds play a role in increasing NAD levels, which in turn activate sirtuins, a group of proteins involved in various cellular processes like mitochondrial biogenesis, DNA repair, and suppression of senescence-associated secretory phenotype (SASP). By boosting NAD levels through NR and NMN supplementation, sirtuin function can be enhanced, potentially impacting longevity and healthspan.
  • Senescence-associated secretory phenotype (SASP) is a characteristic of senescent cells where they release various molecules like cytokines, growth factors, and enzymes. These secreted factors can have both beneficial and detrimental effects on the surrounding cells and tissues. SASP is known for its role in promoting inflammation and tissue remodeling, contributing to the aging process and age-related diseases. It is a complex and dynamic process influenced by the type of cell and the factors that triggered the cell's senescence.
  • In studies involving yeast, overexpression of Sirtu has been linked to an extension of lifespan. This suggests that sirtuins play a role in promoting longevity in simpler organisms like yeast. However, the direct connection between sirtuins and caloric restriction in influencing lifespan remains unclear. Further research is needed to fully understand the mechanisms through which sirtuins impact lifespan in different organisms.
  • The connection between sirtuins and caloric restriction is not entirely clear. While studies suggest that sirtuins play a role in lifespan extension, their exact relationship to caloric restriction remains uncertain. Research indicates that sirtuins may impact longevity throug ...

Counterarguments

  • The decline in NAD levels with age is not universally accepted as a cause of aging; some argue it may be a consequence rather than a cause.
  • The role of NAD in energy production and DNA repair, while significant, is not the only factor influencing aging, and focusing too much on a single molecule may oversimplify the complex biology of aging.
  • The efficacy of targeting the NAD pathway for lifespan extension has not been conclusively demonstrated in humans, and animal models may not fully replicate human aging processes.
  • The relationship between sirtuins and lifespan extension is still under investigation, and results from yeast and mouse models may not directly translate to humans due to species-specific differences.
  • The unclear connection between sirtuins and caloric restriction suggests that there may be other, as yet unidentified, pathways influencing longevity.
  • The sex-specific differences observed in the mouse model overexpressing SIRT6 raise questions about the gene ...

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The evidence (or lack thereof) for NAD supplementation improving lifespan and healthspan

Dr. Peter Attia and various experts dive into the research and clinical trials surrounding NAD supplementation, discussing the outcomes and implications for healthspan and lifespan.

While NAD levels decline with age, there is no clear evidence that increasing NAD levels through supplementation leads to improved lifespan or healthspan

Through a systematic review of research literature and clinical trials, Attia implies that despite significant announcements and ongoing developments, there is skepticism regarding the effectiveness of NAD supplementation to slow aging. This idea is not as straightforward as once assumed.

The Interventions Testing Program (ITP), a rigorous longevity research program, has not found any lifespan or healthspan benefits from administering NAD precursors like NR to mice

Peter Attia highlights that the Interventions Testing Program (ITP), funded by the National Institute on Aging, has not found any benefits for lifespan or healthspan from administering NAD precursors like NR to mice. The ITP conducts experiments across three independent labs in triplicate, ensuring the robustness of results. Attia specifies that NR was tested at a potent dose and did not result in life extension or healthspan improvement. Ultimately, the ITP found that megadose NR had the same result as placebo.

The available human studies on NAD precursor supplements like NR and NMN have shown small, clinically insignificant effects, such as modest improvements in glucose disposal or reduction in fatty liver disease

A study on a product containing NR and pterostilbene saw no significant difference in various health metrics compared to placebo, though a sub-analysis found a modest reduction in hepatic fat that was statistically — but not clinically — significant. Other human studies involving NMN supplementation showed only minor, clinically insignificant effects on glucose metabolism and nonsignificant reductions in hepatic fat. Attia notes that the overall human study results showed only a small change in LDL cholesterol and slight improvements in other non-essential metrics.

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  • NAD supplementation involves taking substances like NR or NMN to increase NAD levels in the body. NAD is a molecule crucial for various cellular processes, including energy production and DNA repair. Research explores whether boosting NAD levels through supplementation can potentially improve health and longevity, but current evidence suggests mixed results and limited significant benefits. The effectiveness of NAD supplementation in extending lifespan or healthspan remains a topic of ongoing scientific investigation and debate.
  • NAD precursors like NR and NMN are compounds that can be converted by the body into NAD+, a molecule crucial for various cellular processes. NR stands for nicotinamide riboside, while NMN stands for nicotinamide mononucleotide. These precursors are often used in supplements to potentially boost NAD+ levels in the body. Research explores whether increasing NAD+ levels through these precursors could have health benefits, particularly in the context of aging and age-related conditions.
  • The Interventions Testing Program (ITP) is a rigorous longevity research initiative funded by the National Institute on Aging. It conducts experiments across three independent labs in triplicate to ensure robust results. The ITP evaluates various interventions, including supplements like NAD precursors, to assess their impact on lifespan and healthspan in mice. Results from the ITP studies provide valuable insights into the effectiveness of interventions on aging-related outcomes.
  • Sirtuins are a group of proteins involved in regulating various cellular processes like aging, metabolism, and stress response. They are known for their role in influencing longevity and health through mechanisms like NAD+ metabolism and gene expression regulation. Sirtuins are linked to pathways like caloric restriction and have been studied for their potential impact on lifespan. Research on sirtuins has shown promise in animal models but translating these findings to human aging remains a topic of ongoing investigation.
  • Mechanistic speculation involves proposing theories based on how things work at a molecular level without strong experimental evidence to support them. Robust experimental evidence, on the other hand, comes from well-designed studies that provide concrete data and results to support or refute a hypothesis. In the context of NAD supplementation, the discussion highlights that claims about the benefits of NAD may be ...

Counterarguments

  • NAD supplementation research is still in its early stages, and longer-term studies may be necessary to observe significant effects on lifespan and healthspan.
  • The lack of positive results in some studies does not preclude the possibility that NAD supplementation could benefit certain subpopulations or individuals with specific health conditions.
  • The ITP's findings in mice may not directly translate to humans, and human clinical trials could yield different results due to complex biological differences.
  • Small, clinically insignificant effects observed in human studies do not necessarily mean that there are no benefits; they may indicate that the studies were underpowered or not designed to detect subtle but meaningful changes.
  • Mechanistic speculation is a valid starting point for scientific inquiry, and hypotheses based on cellular mechanisms may lead to the development of more targeted and effective interventions ...

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Comparing the different NAD precursor supplements and their effects

Andrew Huberman and Peter Attia engage in a discussion about various approaches to boosting NAD levels in the body, including through supplements like NR (nicotinamide riboside) and NMN (nicotinamide mononucleotide), as well as direct intravenous infusions. They explore the mechanisms by which these supplements enter cells, their potential effects on health, and considerations regarding cost, dosage, and commercial interests in the marketplace.

NR can directly enter cells and increase NAD levels, while NMN requires the removal of a phosphate group before it can be utilized

Huberman states that NR can cross cell membranes directly, implying it can increase NAD levels without further transformation. In contrast, NMN must have a phosphate group removed before the body can use it, turning it into NR post-ingestion. This suggests that more NMN may be needed compared to NR to achieve the same increase in NAD levels. Despite this, Attia mentioned that after the phosphate group is cleaved off NMN, you're essentially left with NR, suggesting a similar end result.

Huberman refers to claims from developers of NR supplements that NR is 25% more effective than NMN at raising whole blood NAD levels on a milligram-per-milligram basis.

Huberman mentions the cost considerations and that he has opted for sublingual NMN based on this. The dosage can be adjusted to account for the differences in bioavailability between the two, as discussed by Attia, who suggests that there is not much of a practical difference in outcomes between intravenous NAD, NR, or NMN, since all increase NAD levels.

Attia notes that the only observed effect from taking these supplements is accelerated hair growth, suggesting a comparable effect between NR and NMN. They also discuss that cost and dosage are more of a commerc ...

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  • NR's direct entry into cells may not necessarily mean it is more effective overall; other factors such as cellular uptake mechanisms and metabolic pathways could influence efficacy.
  • The claim that NR is 25% more effective than NMN at raising NAD levels may not be universally accepted or proven, as different studies might show varying results.
  • The practical differences between NR and NMN might not be limited to cost and dosage; other factors such as long-term effects, safety profile, and individual biological responses could also play a role.
  • The choice of sublingual NMN based on cost might not consider the full spectrum of bioavailability and absorption rates, which could affect the overall cost-effectiveness.
  • The assertion that there is not much of a practical difference in outcomes between intravenous NAD, NR, or NMN could be challenged by studies showing different long-term health impacts.
  • The observation of accelerated hair growth as the only effect of NR or NMN supplementation might be an oversimplification, as other subtle or long-term effects could exist.
  • The discussion of cost and dosage as commercial issues might overlook the importance of these factors in accessibility and adherence to supplementatio ...

Actionables

  • You can track your personal response to NR or NMN supplementation by keeping a detailed journal. Start by noting your baseline health metrics, such as energy levels, sleep quality, and any signs of aging like hair health. After beginning supplementation, record any changes you observe, focusing on the specific effects mentioned, like hair growth. This personal data can help you determine the most cost-effective dosage and form for your needs without relying solely on commercial claims.
  • Consider creating a simple spreadsheet to compare the costs of NR, NMN, and NAD therapies over time. Input the price per dose, the recommended frequency, and any additional costs like clinic visits for intravenous options. Use this to calculate the total monthly and yearly expenditure for each, which will help you make an informed decision based on your budget and the podcast's assertion about cost-effectiveness.
  • If you're considering intravenou ...

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