Fifty Shades Darker LIVE! (w/ Joel Kim Booster)
Dive into an irreverent critique of "Fifty Shades Darker" with hosts Paul Scheer, Jason Mantzoukas, and guest Joel Kim Booster on "How Did This Get Made?” The trio dissects the film’s challenges, from uninspiring plot points to the absence of compelling character arcs, providing a comedic yet incisive look at the sequel’s shortcomings. While the movie attempts to shock and captivate with high-stakes drama and an introduction of new antagonists, the hosts argue it falls flat, pointing to the lack of significant impact on the storyline and an overarching shallowness in its development.
The podcast doesn't shy away from the sexual content and fantasies that are core to the "Fifty Shades" franchise. Mantzoukas and company analyze the failure of the erotic scenes to deliver their intended effect, often finding humor in what's meant to be sensuous. Their banter touches on everything from the film's tepid approach to BDSM to the unexpected conservatism in its portrayal of sexuality, despite its source material's notorious reputation. "How Did This Get Made?" offers listeners a rollicking session that breaks down the elusive chemistry of successful erotic thrillers and the pitfalls encountered in this steamy, yet underwhelming cinematic endeavor.
This is a preview of the Shortform summary of the Mar 8, 2024 episode of the How Did This Get Made?
Sign up for Shortform to access the whole episode summary along with additional materials like counterarguments and context.
1-Page Summary
Boring plot and lack of character development
The recent film under discussion suffers from both a lackluster plot and poor character development. Hosts Jason Mantzoukas, Paul Scheer, and others, express considerable disappointment with the film's narrative, which seems to cram in dramatic elements—such as a helicopter crash and the introduction of three new villains—without substantial impact or character response. These events come across as shallow, failing to deepen the story or provide meaningful consequences.
Characters, acting, and their development are also points of critique. The lead actors, including Dakota Johnson and Kim Basinger, fail to bring depth or fascination to their roles. Listeners are left with little understanding of the characters’ motivations or backstories, and the performances do not overcome the mediocre dialogue or add any intrigue to their characters.
The hosts mock the film's portrayal of certain elements, such as unrealistic and nonsensical business discussions and the peculiarly enduring "red room" experience without psychological repercussions. They highlight the absence of coherent character motivation, particularly with Basinger's underexplored role, and call out the general failure of the film to provide meaningful character arcs or engaging performances.
Sex scenes and Fifty Shades fantasy elements
The hosts critique the movie's sex scenes and fantasy elements, often using humor to highlight the film's shortcomings. Mantzoukas notes the ineffectiveness of the intended erotic scenes, finding the use of props like kegel balls to fall flat, becoming more comedic than sensual. The hosts express disappointment with the film's failure to deliver the provocative experience promised by the books. Instead of a dominant Christian Grey and explicit BDSM scenarios, the film delivers much tamer content.
Discussing the influence of author EL James on the film, the hosts humorously suggest Mormon undertones in the film's portrayal of sexuality, pointing to a certain naïveté and conservatism in the depiction of sexual acts. The film's approach to eroticism is criticized for being tepid, with the "dirtiest Mormon lady narrative" characterizing the sexual content as surprisingly restrained given the series' reputation.
Problems with filmmaking and direction
The podcast addresses issues with the filmmaking and direction of the film's sequel, noting both improvements and persistent issues compared to the first installment. Critics, including Paul Scheer, discuss the sequel's superior lighting but highlight the inconsistencies in visual storytelling. The sequel's production saw conflicts and disagreements, with the absence of the original director and screenwriter leading to issues with the film's vision and execution.
Pacing comes under fire, with even less happening plot-wise in the sequel. The structure and editing of the film cause confusion, distorting the flow of the narrative, particularly in essential scenes that lack logic and context. Sarcasm is used to underline the misdirection and production focus, with misplaced priorities being evident in the film's development, such as unnecessary subplots and a reliance on outdated workplace setups.
In summary, the film disappoints with its undelivered character development, mild sexual fantasy portrayal, and problematic filmmaking tactics, leaving much to be desired in terms of depth, sensuality, and technical execution.
1-Page Summary
Additional Materials
Clarifications
- Jason Mantzoukas and Paul Scheer are well-known actors, comedians, and podcast hosts who often discuss and critique various forms of entertainment, including movies. They are known for their humor and insightful commentary on popular culture. In this context, they are part of a group of hosts providing their opinions on a specific film.
- Dakota Johnson and Kim Basinger are actresses who have appeared in various films. Dakota Johnson is known for her role in the "Fifty Shades" film series, where she played the lead character Anastasia Steele. Kim Basinger is an actress with a long career in Hollywood, known for her roles in films like "Batman" and "L.A. Confidential." Both actresses have been involved in the entertainment industry for many years and have worked on a variety of projects.
- E.L. James, whose real name is Erika Mitchell, is a British author known for writing the popular Fifty Shades series of novels. The series originated from her Twilight fan fiction called "Master of the Universe." The Fifty Shades books have been highly successful worldwide, selling millions of copies and inspiring a film trilogy. James has been recognized for her influence in literature, with Time magazine naming her one of "The World's 100 Most Influential People" in 2012.
- "Mormon undertones" in this context suggest subtle influences or elements in the film that reflect characteristics or values associated with the Mormon culture or beliefs. It implies a conservative or restrained approach to certain themes, possibly related to sexuality or morality, reminiscent of the perceived attitudes within the Mormon community. The term could indicate a portrayal that aligns with stereotypes or perceptions of Mormon perspectives on certain topics, such as sexuality or relationships. It hints at a nuanced layer of interpretation that draws parallels between the film's content and aspects of Mormon culture or values.
- Christian Grey is a fictional character from the "Fifty Shades" series known for his dominant personality and involvement in BDSM (Bondage, Discipline, Sadism, and Masochism) relationships. BDSM is a consensual practice involving various forms of erotic role-playing, power dynamics, and physical sensations. In the context of the series, Christian introduces the protagonist, Anastasia Steele, to BDSM practices as part of their romantic relationship. The portrayal of BDSM in the series has sparked discussions about consent, power dynamics, and the representation of such relationships in popular culture.
- The original director and screenwriter referred to in the text were responsible for the first installment of the film. Their absence in the sequel led to changes in the film's vision and execution. Critics noted improvements in lighting but highlighted inconsistencies in visual storytelling in the sequel. The conflicts and disagreements during the sequel's production impacted the overall direction of the film.
Counterarguments
- The film's plot may be perceived as straightforward rather than lackluster, appealing to audiences who prefer a more direct narrative.
- Dramatic elements like a helicopter crash could be intended as action set pieces to maintain a fast-paced and entertaining rhythm.
- Some viewers might appreciate the film's events for their entertainment value rather than seeking deep narrative impact.
- Dakota Johnson and Kim Basinger may have portrayed their characters in a way that aligns with the director's vision or the source material's tone.
- The lack of character backstory can sometimes be a deliberate choice to maintain mystery or encourage the audience to focus on the present narrative.
- The film's dialogue and character interactions might resonate with fans who are looking for a style consistent with the book series.
- Unrealistic elements in films can be a stylistic choice to create a more fantastical or exaggerated reality that some viewers enjoy.
- The portrayal of the "red room" and other elements might be intentionally over-the-top to differentiate the film from reality and provide escapism.
- The sex scenes may have been designed to be accessible to a wider audience, prioritizing a broader appeal over explicit content.
- The film's approach to eroticism could be seen as tasteful and sensitive, which might be appreciated by viewers who prefer subtlety.
- Improvements in lighting and other technical aspects from the first to the second film indicate a progression in filmmaking quality.
- The absence of the original director and screenwriter might have brought fresh perspectives to the sequel that some viewers find refreshing.
- The pacing and structure of the film could be intentionally designed to build tension or focus on character dynamics over plot complexity.
- Subplots and workplace setups, while seen as outdated or unnecessary by some, might add layers or context to the story for other viewers.
Related Shortform Content
Jeremy Boreing | PBD Podcast | Ep. 333
Patrick Bet-David, Jeremy Boreing, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana
Musk Gets It Right In Israel
Ben Shapiro, Jeremy Boreing, John Kirby, Elon Musk, Benjamin Netanyahu, Joe Biden, Piers Morgan, Montana Tucker
Ep 459 - Wett Spesh (feat. Colum Tyrrell)
LeMaire Lee, Colum Tyrrell, Matt McCusker, Shane Gillis
Get access to the context and additional materials
Boring plot and lack of character development
The hosts, including Jason Mantzoukas, Paul Scheer, and others, delve deeply into the recent film's lack of excitement, both in its plot and character development, expressing substantial disappointment.
Extensive discussion and critique of dull plot events like helicopter crash and auction
The film's narrative draws criticism for including sudden yet unimpactful elements like gunplay and a helicopter accident. The hosts ridicule a scene involving a helicopter crash, pointing out the absurd lack of reaction from the characters and the ensuing triviality of the event—joking about the character's unrealistic behavior, including calling an Uber from the crash site. They mock the inclusion of three new villains, comparing the overcrowding to a Batman film directed by Joel Schumacher.
The film presents supposedly dramatic events, like the aforementioned helicopter crash, in a manner devoid of depth or genuine repercussion, often following them up with mundane activities that seem incongruous to the events that precede them.
Commentary on unrealistic/nonsensical elements and unanswered questions
Further, the hosts discuss the unrealism and nonsensical business ventures of the male protagonist, including a humorous takedown of a business discussion within the film. They contest the unrealistic scenario wherein the protagonist rapidly ascends to a high-powered job position. Puzzlement arises over the "red room" and bizarrely enduring physical marks, generating questions about why the characters avoid seeking therapy for obvious issues.
The character dynamics between Kim Basinger’s and the protagonist provoke confusion due to a lack of background clarity, and a stalking subplot adds to the narrative disarray without satisfying payoff. Additional unrealistic elements, such as the handling of an art exhibit and a request for a gift box at a newsstand, are ridiculed for their improbability.
Acting and characters, including Dakota Johnson and Kim Basinger, fail to impress or interest
In terms of character portrayal and development, the lead characters are found to lack any compelling traits that might render them funny, intelligent, or interesting. Scheer criticizes Dakota Johnson's character, not finding any particularly engaging attribu ...
Here’s what you’ll find in our full summary
Boring plot and lack of character development
Additional Materials
Clarifications
- Jason Mantzoukas and Paul Scheer are well-known comedians, actors, and podcast hosts. They are part of the popular podcast "How Did This Get Made?" where they discuss and critique movies, often focusing on films with bizarre or poorly executed plots. Mantzoukas and Scheer are known for their humor, wit, and insightful commentary on various aspects of filmmaking, making them prominent figures in the world of comedy podcasts.
- Comparing the overcrowding of villains in the film to a Batman film directed by Joel Schumacher is a reference to the Batman movies from the late 1990s. Joel Schumacher directed "Batman Forever" (1995) and "Batman & Robin" (1997), known for their campy and colorful style with ...
Counterarguments
- The film's plot simplicity could be intentional, aiming to provide a straightforward narrative for audiences seeking escapism rather than complexity.
- The helicopter crash and other dramatic events might be designed to serve as catalysts for character development or to highlight other themes, rather than being central plot points.
- Some viewers may appreciate the film's unrealistic elements as a form of heightened reality or fantasy, which can be a common and accepted trope in certain genres.
- Unanswered questions in the film could be a deliberate choice to provoke thought or discussion among the audience, or to set up potential sequels.
- The acting and characters might resonate with certain audience members who relate to or enjoy the portrayal, regardless of cri ...
Related Shortform Content
Get access to the context and additional materials
Sex scenes and Fifty Shades fantasy elements
The podcast features hosts Jason Mantzoukas, Paul Scheer, and Joel Kim Booster engaging in a humorous and critical discussion about the sex scenes and fantasy elements in the Fifty Shades movies.
Analysis of awkward, unsexy scenes and props like kegel balls
Jason Mantzoukas comments on the film's lack of adequately provocative content, suggesting that it should have been more explicit and erotic. The hosts find humor in the movie's attempt at eroticism with the use of props like kegel balls and nipple clamps. They joke about the awkward use of these props, noting the failure of these elements to contribute satisfactorily to the movie's erotic aspects. A comedic reference is made to kegel balls hanging from a stocking, highlighting the clumsy depiction of what was meant to be a sensual scene.
Commentary on how movies fail to deliver on provocative premise of books
Paul Scheer comments that the film diverges from the original provocative premise of the books. Instead of the anticipated dominant Christian Grey character, the audience gets what Scheer describes as 'a boyfriend with handcuffs'. Jason Mantzoukas points out that expectations of explicit BDSM content in the 'red room' are undercut by the anticlimactic reality of just brief cupping followed by what seems like passionate lovemaking, thereby contradicting the room's intended purpose for dominance and submission scenarios.
Discussion of EL James' influence and Mo ...
Here’s what you’ll find in our full summary
Sex scenes and Fifty Shades fantasy elements
Additional Materials
Clarifications
- Kegel balls, also known as Ben Wa balls, are small, weighted balls inserted into the vagina for sexual stimulation and pelvic floor muscle exercises. They come in various forms, including solid balls or those with internal clappers for movement. These balls are designed to be held in place by the pelvic muscles, providing subtle stimulation rather than immediate orgasm. Prolonged use is cautioned against due to infection risks.
- Nipple clamps are sex toys used on nipples for both pain and pleasure during BDSM activities. They can enhance sensitivity and erotic stimulation by trapping blood in the nipples. Nipple clamps come in various styles like clothes-pin, tweezer, and clover, and are often used to intensify sensations in nipple play. Techniques like using a safeword and stimulating the nipples beforehand are common practices when using nipple clamps.
- A "red room" in the context of the Fifty Shades series is a dedicated space for BDSM activities, typically equipped with various tools and equipment for bondage, dominance, submission, and masochism. It serves as a setting for exploring the characters' sexual dynamics and power play. The red room symbolizes the protagonist's desires, fears, and boundaries within the realm of their intimate relationship. It is a central element in depicting the unconventional and intense aspects of their sexual encounters.
- 'Mormon coded' in this context suggests that the content or themes in the movie resemble what might be considered appealing or acceptable to a conservative or sheltered audience, particularly one with Mormon beliefs or values. It implies a subtle connection to Mormon culture or sensibilities, possibly in a way that aligns with stereotypes or perceptions about how certain the ...
Counterarguments
- The film's level of explicitness and erotic content may have been intentionally moderated to reach a wider audience, including those who are not looking for extreme depictions of sexuality.
- The use of props like kegel balls and nipple clamps could be seen as an attempt to introduce viewers to aspects of BDSM in a more accessible and less intimidating way.
- The portrayal of Christian Grey as 'a boyfriend with handcuffs' rather than a dominant BDSM figure could be a creative choice to make the story more relatable and less niche, potentially appealing to a broader demographic.
- The 'red room' scenes may have been designed to suggest BDSM rather than depict it explicitly, allowing viewers to use their imagination, which can be a powerful tool in erotic storytelling.
- The "Mormon coded" interpretation might be an oversimplification and could overlook the broader themes of exploration and fantasy that are not exclusive to any one culture or religion.
- The conservati ...
Related Shortform Content
Relaxed Fit: True Crime Roundup - The Melbourne Mushroom Murders
Henry Zebrowski, Theme Song, Ben Kissel, Marcus Parks
The Bears Are Back | 2 Bears, 1 Cave Ep. 212
Tom Segura, Bert Kreischer
Musk Gets It Right In Israel
Ben Shapiro, Jeremy Boreing, John Kirby, Elon Musk, Benjamin Netanyahu, Joe Biden, Piers Morgan, Montana Tucker
Get access to the context and additional materials
Problems with filmmaking and direction
In a recent commentary, critics address the various problems that have emerged in a film sequel, focusing on the directing and various technical issues that differ from the first installment of the franchise.
Discussion of directing and technical issues compared to first film
While the sequel has been described as visually better, with well-lit scenes compared to the first film's student-film appearance, this improvement is debated among critics. Paul Scheer notes that despite the enhanced lighting, the visual elements of the movie remain inconsistent, exemplified by the quality and context of photos which resemble headshot outtakes rather than artful, professional photographs.
Scheer brings to light the conflicts behind the scenes, explaining that the original director and screenwriter did not return for the sequel due to disagreements with E.L. James. James was seen as controlling of the script, desiring that the film adhere closely to her books. After the box office success of the first film, the sequel was rushed into production, with James' husband taking over the writing duties. This created a disconnect in the vision and execution of the film, potentially leading to the issues critics have noticed.
Critique of poor pacing, editing, lighting, and visuals
The hosts also bring forth implicit criticisms regarding the film’s pacing and narrative structure. Scheer alludes to issues with pacing, suggesting that even less happens in the sequel, and refers to an unrated cut bloated with superfluous scenes. There remains a pervasive sense of confusion over the film's events and a feeling of being dumbfounded after watching it. Notably, important scenes, such as a helicopter crash, ...
Here’s what you’ll find in our full summary
Problems with filmmaking and direction
Additional Materials
Clarifications
- E.L. James, the author of the original book series, exerted significant control over the script of the film sequel, desiring a faithful adaptation to her novels. This led to conflicts with the original director and screenwriter, who did not return for the sequel due to disagreements with James. Consequently, James' influence on the script and her insistence on adhering closely to her books impacted the vision and execution of the film.
- The rush in production of the sequel after the success of the first film indicates that the second movie was quickly put into production following the box office success of the initial installment. This rush may have led to challenges in maintaining the same level of quality and coherence in the sequel, as there might have been limited time for thorough planning and development. The pressure to capitalize on the popularity of the first film could have influenced decisions related to the script, direction, and overall production of the sequel. This rush could have potentially impacted the creative process and resulted in issues with the film' ...
Counterarguments
- Critics may argue that the improved lighting in the sequel enhances the overall aesthetic and mood, contributing positively to the film's atmosphere.
- The visual elements' inconsistency could be a deliberate artistic choice to reflect the characters' inner turmoil or the chaotic nature of the story.
- The departure of the original director and screenwriter might have allowed for fresh perspectives and new creative directions that could benefit the sequel.
- E.L. James' involvement in the script could ensure that the film remains true to the source material, which might be appreciated by fans of the book.
- A rushed production schedule does not necessarily result in a lower-quality film; sometimes, constraints can lead to creative problem-solving and innovation.
- The decision to have James' husband write the sequel could introduce a deeper understanding and respect for the original material, potentially leading to a more faithful adaptation.
- The pacing of the film might be intentionally slow to build tension or focus on character development, which some viewers might prefer.
- The feeling of confusion and being dumbfounded after watching the film could be an intentional effect to provoke thought and discussion among the audience.
- A lack of context in important scenes, such as the helicopter crash, might be a narrative device to keep the audi ...
Related Shortform Content
David Ayer & Jon Bernthal: Unfiltered Truths of Hollywood & Life | Real Ones
Jon Bernthal, David Ayer
Jeremy Boreing | PBD Podcast | Ep. 333
Patrick Bet-David, Jeremy Boreing, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana
The True Story Behind the 'Suicide Squad' Director's Cut | David Ayer tells Bernthal on Real Ones
David Ayer, Jon Bernthal
Get access to the context and additional materials
Create Summaries for anything on the web
Download the Shortform Chrome extension for your browser
