In this episode of Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard, guests share personal accounts of being drawn into cults and cult-like organizations. They discuss the deceptive recruitment tactics employed by groups like One Taste, Nxivm, and the Seventh-Day Adventist church, shedding light on how they target vulnerable individuals through a sense of community and promises of self-improvement.
The conversation also explores the disturbing methods used by such groups to exert control, including emotional manipulation, gaslighting, isolation, and harsh disciplinary practices. By recounting the trauma endured by survivors, the episode highlights the lasting psychological impacts of cult involvement, particularly on young people.
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Guests like Ruwan and Rosei share how they were drawn into cults and cult-like organizations during vulnerable times. Ruwan joined One Taste after feeling disconnected, initially drawn by the sense of community before recognizing its controlling tactics. Similarly, Rosei fell victim to a manipulative church that exploited her grief after her mother's passing.
Dax Shepard introduces Seth, suggesting other guests faced well-intentioned groups that devolved into controlling environments. Ruwan cites harmful cult methods like brainwashing and gaslighting. Rosei describes the lasting trauma of being ostracized by her church.
Christina recounts Nxivm's deceptive recruitment tactics for its purported self-improvement program, including high-pressure sales and disturbing rituals. The group revolved around Keith Raniere, who exploited members, especially women. Raniere was eventually prosecuted, exposing Nxivm's dangers.
Rosei and others detail the Seventh-Day Adventist church's rigid lifestyle restrictions, fear-based theology promoting government persecution, and controlling behaviors like conversion therapy and shunning. Personal accounts reveal emotional manipulation and lack of support within the church.
Seth shares his experience being involuntarily sent to a "cultish" residential facility at 14. The program used extreme isolation, shame-based "therapy," and surveillance reminiscent of a prison. Staff employed controversial techniques like public shaming and minimal activity.
Such programs have faced criticism for exploiting desperate parents while traumatizing youth through neglect and harsh treatment, sometimes resulting in medical emergencies and deaths, says Seth. Alumni have suffered lasting psychological damage despite the programs' supposed rehabilitative aims.
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Podcast guests share intimate details about their involvement and exposure to cults, revealing the deep emotional impact these controlling and high-demand groups have had on their lives.
Guests, including Ruwan and Rosei, discuss how they were drawn into cults and cult-like organizations during vulnerable times in their lives. Ruwan became involved with One Taste after feeling socially disconnected. He fell for the appeal of intimate connections through practices like orgasmic meditation and initially enjoyed a positive transformative experience that included meditation, yoga, and healthy eating in a communal setting. Ruwan even fell in love under the guidance of a cult mentor. However, he started to notice the control the cult exerted over relationships and how it manipulated members through sex and romance.
Similarly, Rosei was part of a church that became a trigger after her mother passed away. The controlling nature of the church became more pronounced over time, with invasive observations and accusations from the church community, pushing her away. This environment preyed on her vulnerability, much like cult-like organizations often do.
Dax Shepard introduces Seth, and while there are no further details provided in the transcript chunk, it indicates that other guests have faced similar instances where what might have begun as a well-intentioned community evolved into something more controlling and harmful.
While in the cult, Ruwan began to detect the insidious methods it used, such as manipulative sales techniques and emotional manipulation that led people, including himself, into debt. He became aware of the harmful psychological practices like brainwashing and gaslighting.
Rosei points out that the church she was involved with targeted individuals during challenging times, exploiting their need for community and support. This is a common tactic for cult-like groups that capitalize on personal struggles to attract new members.
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Personal experiences with and exposure to cults and cult-like organizations
Guests share their harrowing experiences with organizations that present themselves as benign but hide abusive practices and exert extreme control over members. Two such groups, the Nxivm group and the Seventh-day Adventist church, are discussed in depth.
Christina shares her story about the deceptive recruitment tactics and structured, cult-like hierarchy of Nxivm, a purported self-improvement group.
Christina was introduced to Nxivm's Executive Success Program by her family, representing a common high-pressure tactic in cult recruitment. She recounts how events were orchestrated with pledges, sashes, and even a dedicated week to the leader, presenting Nxivm as a structured, high-commitment organization. Additionally, Christina details how her stepmom's ascent within Nxivm involved bringing new members in, showing the deeply manipulative nature of the group.
The group revolved around Keith Raniere, who held a charismatic sway over the members, particularly women, which points to an abusive and exploitative dynamic. Christina's stepmom moved up the ranks and was invited to join a confidential group within Nxivm, which required her to provide potentially compromising collateral to ensure secrecy and obedience. Christina's experiences imply the significant control Raniere had over his followers.
Documentaries and stories from former members, including those who testified at the trial, have shed light on the nature of Nxivm and led to the public exposure and prosecution of Keith Raniere. The personal accounts of those involved with Nxivm serve as a stark warning about the dangers of blindly following self-proclaimed gurus.
Speakers discuss the restrictive and controlling nature of the Seventh-day Adventist church, suggesting it operates with cult-like dynamics.
The origins of the Seventh-day Adventist church date back to a cult of personality and include controversial figures like John Harvey Kellogg. Throughout its history, the church has instilled fear in its members regarding government persecution for their beliefs. Members are raised with the notion they might be killed for their faith, and dietary laws are strictly enforced, including a vegetarian or vegan diet.
Specific cults/cult-like groups discussed in detail
Guests on the show share harrowing experiences of being sent to residential treatment programs and "behavior modification" facilities during their teenage years, often against their will. These testimonies expose harsh realities about methods that prey on both parents and children and the severe impacts that linger for years after.
Seth speaks about being sent away to what he refers to as a cultish school at age 14, where he would remain isolated for two years. Communication with his family during this time was scarce and strictly controlled by the staff, who would monitor and alter any exchanges. He reveals that one of the staff members had previously worked at another shut-down school previously attended by Paris Hilton, who is now an advocate against such institutions.
The program promoted itself as providing exceptional education with a focus on "fixing" the teens but resorted to extreme control and isolation, similar to a prison of war experience, according to Seth. He recalls monitored calls with his parents where any hint of emotion or revealing the program's nature could mean the end of the call. In his Utah program, Seth faced constant surveillance, sexuality shaming, and group attack therapies, where he was publicly shamed for being gay and deterred from any self-expression. He also spent six months in isolation, known as out-of-school suspension, with minimal interaction and activity.
The schools operated on the controversial CEDU model, known for employing shame and attack therapy. Seth's environment was aggressive, with participants incentivized to expose and attack each other to escape being targeted. The facility, not registered as a mental health institution, evaded m ...
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